Adding new routes to existing areas?

And of course don't post straight from the guidebook, use your own words and beta. Copy/paste is major fuckery.

Lyle M wrote:

They’re in the guidebook. 

What about them 2015 guidebooks and 2020 FAs?

They will make it in the 2025 update provided guidebooks still exist at that point... otherwise they will be available for download on the MP guide to the galaxy app, only $.99/route!!!

If they are your 2020 FA’s post them if you want to. 

Daniel Chode Rider wrote:

Well, not everyone wants to buy a guidebook. Yet in a guidebook you'll get higher quality beta than you will here. It's a tradeoff.

Cry me a river. Put down the weed and beers for a day and fork over $20 for the guidebook. 

Princess Puppy Lovr wrote:

What about them 2015 guidebooks and 2020 FAs?

FA can do as they please...

Krimpit thee Frog here wrote:

No. Old f***s don't even know how to post to the internet..

Prove it, call up the guy who published the guidebook and ask him if he needs helps getting his routes on MP. I’ll wait. 

Lyle M wrote:

Cry me a river. Put down the weed and beers for a day and fork over $20 for the guidebook. 

A guidebook has a few hundred routes, maybe, and weighs proportionate to the amount of routes. The MP app weighs no more than my phone, something I'm bringing anyway, and I can download tens of thousands of routes. Plus it has plenty of tools like GPS trails and locations, etc. The choice is simple.

Daniel Chode Rider wrote:

A guidebook has a few hundred routes, maybe, and weighs proportionate to the amount of routes. The MP app weighs no more than my phone, something I'm bringing anyway, and I can download tens of thousands of routes. Plus it has plenty of tools like GPS trails and locations, etc. The choice is simple.

Counting that extra 10grams of weight to your 1/2mile approach is laughable 

Daniel Chode Rider wrote:

A guidebook has a few hundred routes, maybe, and weighs proportionate to the amount of routes. The MP app weighs no more than my phone, something I'm bringing anyway, and I can download tens of thousands of routes. Plus it has plenty of tools like GPS trails and locations, etc. The choice is simple.

Yeah, I was with you about not copying from a guideboook, that's plain stupid.

But the weight factor is... ridiculous as an excuse.

Adventure is lost.. need to have Steve Roper write all the guidebooks/MP descriptions:

"Bongs Away - Left Side, I, 5.8. Jim Bridwell, 1970. This slab is an insignificant blob 100 feet up and right from the rappel bolts at the top of the first pitch of serious climbing on the regular route of Reed Pinnacle. From the bolts climb a crack to the top."

Daniel. Take a piece of wax paper, put it over the pages you’re gonna need. Trace the topo.

Or zerox that shit if you have a copy machine

Lyle M wrote:

They’re in the guidebook. 

Well, not quite. Although I prefer it the way it is and I pretend that there is no climbing in New Mexico,other than Owen’s bouldering guide, the entire state has not had a guidebook since 2005.  Sadly, the days of the paper guidebook have come and gone.

Did I mention that there is no climbing in New Mexico?  And what there is, is all choss? 

Also everyone is acting like guidebooks are always good, I have seen many that are worse than mountain project.

Lyle M wrote:

Counting that extra 10grams of weight to your 1/2mile approach is laughable 

Franck Vee wrote:

Yeah, I was with you about not copying from a guideboook, that's plain stupid.

But the weight factor is... ridiculous as an excuse.

Jeff Luton wrote:

Daniel. Take a piece of wax paper, put it over the pages you’re gonna need. Trace the topo.

Or zerox that shit if you have a copy machine

If you guys are all for guidebooks... why are you on Mountain Project?

MP app is simply more convenient. That's all it is.

Daniel Chode Rider wrote:

If you guys are all for guidebooks... why are you on Mountain Project?

MP app is simply more convenient. That's all it is.

Cheap gear and smack talk, duhh

Lyle M wrote:

Cheap gear and smack talk, duhh

Mmmm. Now that's more like it.

Fair and balanced.

The "Central Montana Rock" guide, definitely the best resource for climbing in ... central Montana, is way out of print (2006) and currently on Amazon for ... $796!!! 

I'm glad I have it, but, holy smokes, without MP ...

Where I live, things are weird about MP -- definitely predominantly a keep-it-secret ethic. At my local crag, four totally new walls got developed this year, they're not in any guide book (yet) and beside the routes I developed, none have made it on MP.

Apparently I'm weird: If I'm gunna spend the money ($30-$50 a route), time (typically 3-5 hours), and effort (a lot, but it's fun), I'll throw it on MP because I'm stoked to get as many people as possible on my routes and hopefully they'll even enjoy them. 

In my community, almost all the other developers feel differently -- keep it a secret within the community until the next guide book. Not sure I quite get it, but I respect it. 

Fair and balanced. 

Daniel Chode Rider wrote:

If you guys are all for guidebooks... why are you on Mountain Project?

False dichotomy right there.

You just listed weight as a reason why MP is superior to guidebook. All I said is that this specific argument is pointless. Unless you're climbing Denali or something. But then you're probably not taking your beta from MP so...

Franck Vee wrote:

False dichotomy right there.

You just listed weight as a reason why MP is superior to guidebook. All I said is that this specific argument is pointless. Unless you're climbing Denali or something. But then you're probably not taking your beta from MP so...

Well, weight and bulkiness. My phone can go in my pocket, while a guidebook has to go in the pack. And the crags I visit are mostly half-hour approaches. But fine, let's ignore that; there are tons of other reasons why MP is superior to a guidebook. If you actually wanted to equal the number of routes in MP with a guidebook, you'd have to spend thousands of dollars, and many of those guidebooks don't exist or are out of print. (Plus would be MUCH heavier, but w/e since you're not taking more than one guidebook to an area.) With a guidebook you don't have an influx of new topos and pictures, or GPS locations/gpx maps for forlornly lost crags, firsthand accounts of trips in the comments in case the beta is insufficient. 

Daniel Chode Rider wrote:

(...) With a guidebook you don't have an influx of new topos and pictures, or GPS locations/gpx maps for forlornly lost crags, firsthand accounts of trips in the comments in case the beta is insufficient. 

Those are better arguments.

For my part, supporting local climbing (which often guidebook fee go to at least partially) and bringing back something tangible from climbing destination is worthy of spending a few specialty coffee's worth on a guidebook.

I still use both, that being said. Though for me, unless is a more committing thing like a trad multi, I tend to just go with the book or eyeball it. Mostly use MP to get track of what I've climbed after the fact and what I'd like to climb.