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Public Lands Eligible for Sale
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In the event the Senate’s current version of the OBBB is what becomes law, land agencies will be directed to sell off an immense amount of federal land. Here is map of lands ELIGIBLE for sale based on current classification status. Obviously that doesn’t mean they will be but let’s not take that chance. There will be no public comment period for these sales as it is currently written. Otherwise, start saving to buy your favorite crag! Perhaps the oligarch that buys up Icicle Creek will let us keep climbing. Or the foreign timber company will keep the gates open in Tensleep Canyon. |
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Here's a map of what lands will be for sale. A few highlights that will be up for grabs: Washington Pass in WA, including Liberty Bell Parts of the Volcanic Tablelands and Pine Creek near Bishop,CA A bunch of the Utah Hills Limestone Climbing surrounding Zion National Park The Fisher Towers near Moab Much of Tensleep Canyon A bunch of stuff around Estes Park Write your senators and reps and tell them hands off our lands! |
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This is insane. Light up their phone lines!! |
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Fuck maga |
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wtf |
EJN wrote: Lovers leap Rock creek mt Lemmon swaths of vedauwoo Parts of sinks canyon Wild Iris all the interesting parts of Colorado |
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Here's a link to Outdoor Alliance with a really easy form to send messages to your legislators. |
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Bump this to the top… keep it at the top! |
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Public Lands = Freedom |
Bruno Schull wrote: Signed. Wow, what in the real fuck. That is most of the American West for sale! |
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Pretty much the entirety of the outdoors in Idaho lmao... FDT. |
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even if the worst case scenario does happen, we will still be recreating in these places. there are more of us than there are of them |
Ben B wrote: Sorry, but you are very wrong about this. For example, once Resolution Copper starts work at Oak Flat, fencing will go up, mobile armed security will be patrolling and no one will be climbing there. That will happen on any of the other parcels that are given to private enterprises. Your statement seems to just be an excuse for you---and others, to not to at least try to stop this from happening in the first place. |
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And hey...next time an election rolls around...maybe give it just a little bit of thought, and go vote... |
Alan Rubin wrote: I signed the petition. I'm not against trying to stop this. All I'm saying is that they may have the guns, but we have the numbers and we have the stealth. Remember Afghanistan? The most advanced and well funded military force in the history of the world lost against a bunch of guys hiding in the hills. The result will be the same here. I'm not saying don't try to prevent this. We absolutely should. It's far easier to destroy something than remake it. But if the worst does come to pass, be mentally prepared to create some good trouble. I will never comply |
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If land is sold, what will happen to it? Where will it go? Mining, oil, expensive condos, gated communities, shopping malls, golf courses, etc. These will make a very small number of people very rich. I'm really curious: tthere are plenty of people here with a very conservative, free-market, laissez-faire political views. You know, government should be small and exist only to enfoerce contracts and uphold the consitution, private industry will run anything more efficiently than the government, if the market makes something available then nothing should stand in the way, and so forth. What do people who hold those views say about this? |
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My message above notwithstanding, I do think that if these sales do come to pass, they will immediately be challenged, and I suspect there will be interesting legal arguments made about the responsibility of the government to protect public land. Alan Rubin...thoughts as a legal expert? |
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Ben B. ---lots of people have died and much of the land and economy ( even the largely subsistence one there) was devastated in Afghanistan. I doubt that climbers will ( nor should they) go that far just to recreate!!!! Bruno: I asked the same question of the Trump fans on the 'Over 50' thread, as I did previously a few weeks ago---so far there have been no responses. Funny, because they are often very vocal....!!! As for your legal question, given the current make-up of the Supreme Court, I am not at all optimistic---look at their recent decision concerning Oak Flat. The best thing that could happen is that lawsuits might stall the actual land transfers long enough for a new Administration to come into office and reverse things. That originally happened with Bears Ears, but now Trump is back in office, both Houses of Congress are controlled by anti-environmental GOP majorities, and Trump has a 6-3 majority on the Supreme Court!!!!! |
Alan Rubin wrote: ‘Vocal’? I wouldn’t say that at all. That thread (and prolly this forum in general) is dominated by left leaning views- there are certainly those with conservative views or Trump supporters (not necessarily the same thing in my book), but their voice is far less present, either because they know their view isn’t popular, or they will be hammered down by opposing views. Sure, there are a few right leaning voices that chime in, but they are far outnumbered by those on the left, and they seem to remain much less vocal overall. And if you sit somewhere in between…both sides think you are on the other side. This kind of tribalism is a microcosm of our society and politics today. And it’s exactly why we are so dysfunctional, and easy to politically manipulate. |
apogee wrote: On certain occasions there comes a time when “sitting in between” is no longer tenable. |
apogee wrote: you keep repeating this in multiple threads, but what you're really calling "left" is barely center. |
