PhysiVantage Flavors

Quick question: What are the best flavors for the Weapons-Grade Whey protein powder and Supercharged Collagen products by PhysiVantage?

I regularly use the chocolate and the lemon honey tea flavors of the collagen and I like both of them. I really like adding the tea flavored one to green tea as a pre-workout. Collagen is supposed to be more effective when taken before the workout anyway.

I like the vanilla flavor.  Edit - it works well in coffee, oatmeal, yogurt, smoothies and pancakes.

For Supercharged Collagen, how do the other flavors compare to the unflavored version. Unflavored just means weird flavored to me. Does the flavoring of the other options drown out this weirdness significantly or does the weird overtake the added flavor?

The Locnarwrote:

For Supercharged Collagen, how do the other flavors compare to the unflavored version. Unflavored just means weird flavored to me. Does the flavoring of the other options drown out this weirdness significantly or does the weird overtake the added flavor?

I use the chocolate flavor, my wide prefers unflavored.  All I can taste is chocolate.

Thanks for the info. Anyone got any flavor recommendations for the Weapons-Grade Whey?

You could save your money on the collagen and spend the money on food. 

I'd bet money that we look back on collagen supplements as a scam as the cost to benefit ratio is almost certainly not there. 

Protein powders, creatine, and caffeine are the most well documented supplements out there. Collagen, not so much. Probably a great profit margin for the manufacturer though. 

Also....why Physivantage over more affordable brands? 

The Locnarwrote:

Thanks for the info. Anyone got any flavor recommendations for the Weapons-Grade Whey?

The chocolate malt is legit delicious. Sometimes I drink it at night instead of having desert. Lol

The Locnarwrote:

Thanks for the info. Anyone got any flavor recommendations for the Weapons-Grade Whey?

The chocolate malt is legit delicious. Sometimes I drink it at night instead of having desert. Lol

Lane,

It's true that collagen alone won't get you to the next grade, but if you're trying to reach your genetic potential as a climber,  every little thing you do has an impact. Little things add up, and will make or break your goals.

As for why PhysiVantage, Eric Hörst makes a damn good case as to why his collagen product is superior. He has put out multiple podcasts where he explains the research he based his formula on, the specific benefits of using the product, and how to use the product properly in order to benefit maximally from each use. It would probably be more cost effective to find similar alternatives, but I am willing to pay more for a product that I know is research backed and was designed by a climber, for climbers. Also, if there's anyone in the climbing world that could put your money to good use, it's Eric Hörst. I am more than happy to pay a little extra for a supplement if it helps a guy like Eric continue with his mission.

I prefer unflavored whey isolate - you can stir it with a spoon and it digests easier.  Use this tool to find the best price https://bangyourbuck.com/

Collagen has glycine, which is good for your connective tissue.  Maybe pure glycine would be better. 

Silica is supposed to help endogenous collagen production.  Most forms have low bioavailability, but monomethylsilanetriol is an exception.  I add it to my drinking water at 1 tbsp per 2.5 gallons, along with sea minerals.  Made my nails pretty hard, at least, and makes good coffee.  

I like the Vanilla flavor, it tastes good even mixed i water, but I mix it in coffee also. 

The Locnarwrote:

Lane,

It's true that collagen alone won't get you to the next grade, but if you're trying to reach your genetic potential as a climber,  every little thing you do has an impact. Little things add up, and will make or break your goals.

As for why PhysiVantage, Eric Hörst makes a damn good case as to why his collagen product is superior. He has put out multiple podcasts where he explains the research he based his formula on, the specific benefits of using the product, and how to use the product properly in order to benefit maximally from each use. It would probably be more cost effective to find similar alternatives, but I am willing to pay more for a product that I know is research backed and was designed by a climber, for climbers. Also, if there's anyone in the climbing world that could put your money to good use, it's Eric Hörst. I am more than happy to pay a little extra for a supplement if it helps a guy like Eric continue with his mission.

I have been using it for a couple of years, and have had zero finger issues since at age 64.  I take it 45 minutes to an hour before climbing or hangboarding.  I know, N=1, but I have a job and can afford it, so why not. 

https://physivantage.com/blogs/news/why-top-docs-pts-recommend-daily-collagen?utm_campaign=Collagen%20Article&utm_medium=sms&utm_source=attentive&externalId=H_Lto

"Locnar", you seem to know a lot about collagen and physivantage, why do you need to ask about flavours?

It's depressing hucksters like Hörst have the remotest credibility. Whatever his imagination might conjure up, there is no good quality evidence collagen is any better than a different protein source. Eating collagen to strengthen your tendons is like eating hair to cure baldness. 

Hörstbot!!!

Fine by me if you feel that way about it, duncan. You don't have to obsess over performance nutrition to enjoy climbing.

Logan Petersonwrote:

Hörstbot!!!

I will neither confirm nor deny...

duncan...wrote:

"Locnar", you seem to know a lot about collagen and physivantage, why do you need to ask about flavours?

It's depressing hucksters like Hörst have the remotest credibility. Whatever his imagination might conjure up, there is no good quality evidence collagen is any better than a different protein source. Eating collagen to strengthen your tendons is like eating hair to cure baldness. 

You seem to be implying that all protein sources are the same, which is far from the truth.  "Protein" is actually a collection of distinct amino acids with distinct benefits.  Collagen is high in glycine (33% by weight), which is essential to collagen formation.  So, from a nutritional standpoint, dietary collagen will help collagen production.

That said, collagen or glycine can be had for much cheaper than the advertised supplement

Collagen's amino acid profile is uniquely suited to support collagen production in the body, because it's also high in proline which is another requirement for collagen production.  

The Locnarwrote:

Fine by me if you feel that way about it, duncan. You don't have to obsess over performance nutrition to enjoy climbing.

In general, I think obsessing over food for any reason is an extremely bad idea. I've been around climbing long enough to have known quite a number of people with serious eating disorders who started with exactly this mindset. 

It is entirely possible to climb at an elite level by "eat(ing) food, mainly plants, not too much" without recourse to aggressively marketed supplements of doubtful efficacy. Many do this (I know a 9b and a couple of 9a climbers and dozens operating at a slightly lower level) but you won't hear about it as you don't get sponsorship for eating normally. Older folk might have to be a bit careful to ensure a reasonable protein intake but this is not difficult and you don’t need highly-processed foods like whey. 

(I deleted a bunch of stuff about my climbing and diet because I was spraying. I mostly eat healthy-ish food made at home, I like ice cream and chocolate, I avoid supplements and protein powders, I climb reasonably well for my age.) 

Eric Mosswrote:

You seem to be implying that all protein sources are the same, which is far from the truth.  "Protein" is actually a collection of distinct amino acids with distinct benefits.  Collagen is high in glycine (33% by weight), which is essential to collagen formation.  So, from a nutritional standpoint, dietary collagen will help collagen production.

That said, collagen or glycine can be had for much cheaper than the advertised supplement

Collagen's amino acid profile is uniquely suited to support collagen production in the body, because it's also high in proline which is another requirement for collagen production.  

At the risk of sounding patronising, the first two sentences are high school Biology. I didn't want to dilute my message by stating the obvious.

You appear to be assuming that glycine (or proline) availability is a bottleneck for collagen production and more glycine will result in faster and/or somehow 'better' collagen production. You'll probably know collagen turn-over in tendons and ligaments is extremely slow. This means the rate of glycine uptake is tiny and it follows there will be more than enough in a regular diet without recourse to supplements. Availability of an excess of a certain amino acid is highly unlikely to make any difference to tendon or ligament healing. 

Yours and my arguments are theoretically plausible but contradictory. It is important to differentiate plausibility (and small-scale or test-tube studies) with what actually happens in people with injuries. I pay attention to real world real patient research: pragmatic randomised trials with a realistic control group. I am not aware of any good research that demonstrates collagen is better than a different protein control for clinical outcomes in people with tendon or ligament injury. If you know about some I'd be very interested to hear about them. If the evidence is convincing I'll change my mind.