Haulable pack for realllly long approaches

Hey gear dorks, I've somewhat fallen in love with fix and follow and tagging a pack (#trendy). I'm wondering if folks have any recommendations balancing durability/weight on packs to both haul and backpack/ground camp with for hard-ish climbing with a very long approach (>10 miles). Do you just use a haul pack and suffer the poor carry/weight? Or is there some lighter option that wouldn't get completely annihilated getting dragged up a 10-20 pitch climb?

My old climbing partner Kyle, makes these Dyneema (Challenge Ultra 800x) haul bags. They are expensive but are pretty much exactly what you're looking for. I've not actually used one, but I don't know what else would be light and tough. 

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Blue Ice Alpine Hauler?

I haven't used it, but I am interested if others have. Not sure if it can carry the hiking load you're needing?

jcs

I was recently in chamonix and I saw many people with the alpine hauler - anecdotally they were all getting groceries with them and I didn’t see anyone in the mountains with them. 

You can haul just about any pack—it really comes down to how rough the rock is and how much you care about the pack’s condition afterward.

I regularly haul my Arc'teryx Alpha FL 20L and 30L packs. They hold up decently, but rough granite or long, low-angle hauls will definitely wear them down over time.

I also have the Metolius Express Haul 39L. It’s extremely durable and hauls great, but it doesn’t carry nearly as well. On long, demanding approaches, the back panel traps heat and gets pretty sweaty.

And of course… I’d tell you how sweet the G7 Haul Pack is—the one I ordered 2.5 years ago—but, well… still waiting on that one.

Jabroni McChufferson wrote:

Any light frameless pack will do fine like a bd speed packs, so long as it’s not an ultra thin material. Think Trojan extra ribbed vs bare skin.

Also consider an internal framed pack that carries well/ comfy if hiking that far and bring a frameless pack to haul for the team. Can buy one at a second hand store and cut all the unnecessary straps off. 

I imagine it's pretty rock type dependent and I suppose ruined is subjective. I don't think of the Perch as particularly coarse but basically ruined a tufa mochilla on a single route on elephants perch last summer hauling, not sure it would have survived a second route. The wallpinist seems like the ticket...anyone want to buy a kidney?

edit: not familiar w/ bd speed fabric so not sure how comparable

We just used this in the Alaska range and it worked exceptionally well for all applications from hiking to climbing and hauling. Highly recommend  

https://edelrid.com/us-en/sport/backpacks-and-rope-bags-shop/kurt-haulbag-55

The answer is two packs. You're going to make sacrifice either on the hike or the climb without having two separate packs that are suited for the task.

My current favs are the Blue Ice Wadi 22 and a Hyperlite pack of your choice. You can put stuff in the smaller pack and strap it to the top of your larger pack. I suppose you could also just drag the Hyperlite up there since it's dyneema, but I'd rather not do that to my pack.

Adam Flemingwrote:

The answer is two packs. You're going to make sacrifice either on the hike or the climb without having two separate packs that are suited for the task.

My current favs are the Blue Ice Wadi 22 and a Hyperlite pack of your choice. You can put stuff in the smaller pack and strap it to the top of your larger pack. I suppose you could also just drag the Hyperlite up there since it's dyneema, but I'd rather not do that to my pack.

Hyperlite's regular fabric (DCH) contain dyneema but its far from any other bag in terms of abrasion resistance as the outside part is just 150D (or some case 50D) polyester(=thickness, most regular packpacks are made from 210D) and the dyneema is on the inside and its ats basically a rip stop with zero extra abrasion resistance but quite a bit of cut resistance. Some of their packs contain the real deal dyneema on some parts (ski packs sidepanel, bottom panel).

In contrast Blue Ice Alpine Hauler is fully made from the Dyneema fabric, plus they sandwiched a thin foam into its fabric that ads a great deal of abrasion resistance. 

Has anyone used the Alpine Hauler? Very curious about it. 

Also been happy with the Blue Ice Wadi for hauling with limited use so far. I’d agree seems like the (minimal) extra weight of bringing in a dedicated “haul” bag would be worth it if you’re setting up a base camp and climbing from there. Someone already said it but if just doing one bag for both seems like you’d be sacrificing pretty hard on one end or the other. 

Is it a dumb idea to get commissioned a  literal literal “haul bag”? Have your pack that you wear. Put said pack in bag/tube to protect the sides from abrasion. Start hauling. The sleeve thingy then sort of becomes a disposable within X-years of use.

Could be dumb enough to work. Or just dumb? 

Chris Outingswrote:

Is it a dumb idea to get commissioned a  literal literal “haul bag”? Have your pack that you wear. Put said pack in bag/tube to protect the sides from abrasion. Start hauling. The sleeve thingy then sort of becomes a disposable within X-years of use.

Could be dumb enough to work. Or just dumb? 

i think the OPs issue is weight. Having to carry two packs with a weeks worth of camping/food/climbing supply into the backcountry 10+ miles is ass kicking. I can identify. I'm not sure i have much ass left to kick in my old age. Hence the idea of packs like the elusive G7 or the unknown Blue Ice Alpine Hauler. lightweight w/ the ability to carry decently and setup for haul once reaching the base is attractive. 

so far, that's my take away from this thread.

jcs

the blue ice alpine hauler looks great but not having a padded hip belt seems horrendous. I've heard of some folks using seatbelt covers to beef up the straps (on other packs) but haven't tried this personally.

Jon.Rwrote:

the blue ice alpine hauler looks great but not having a padded hip belt seems horrendous. I've heard of some folks using seatbelt covers to beef up the straps (on other packs) but haven't tried this personally.

Adding modular pads to a waist belt hardly helps with load transfer.  IMO there isn’t a mass manufactured bag on the market that is haulable, “lightweight”, and has excellent load transfer.  Even just the combo of haulable and load transfer could be greatly improved…

These could be a good addition to the bare waist strap: 

https://www.expedusa.com/products/hip-belt-pad?srsltid=AfmBOopH1n05H_2V_glnR6xbhv65YrBbvVRQbq54haLTPEkdskpHbOxt

Chris Outingswrote:

Is it a dumb idea to get commissioned a  literal literal “haul bag”? Have your pack that you wear. Put said pack in bag/tube to protect the sides from abrasion. Start hauling. The sleeve thingy then sort of becomes a disposable within X-years of use.

Could be dumb enough to work. Or just dumb? 

there are such things

Chris Outingswrote:

Is it a dumb idea to get commissioned a  literal literal “haul bag”? Have your pack that you wear. Put said pack in bag/tube to protect the sides from abrasion. Start hauling. The sleeve thingy then sort of becomes a disposable within X-years of use.

Could be dumb enough to work. Or just dumb? 

You mean something like this? grivel.com/products/haul-co…

Jason Antinwrote:

You can haul just about any pack—it really comes down to how rough the rock is and how much you care about the pack’s condition afterward.

I regularly haul my Arc'teryx Alpha FL 20L and 30L packs. They hold up decently, but rough granite or long, low-angle hauls will definitely wear them down over time.

I also have the Metolius Express Haul 39L. It’s extremely durable and hauls great, but it doesn’t carry nearly as well. On long, demanding approaches, the back panel traps heat and gets pretty sweaty.

And of course… I’d tell you how sweet the G7 Haul Pack is—the one I ordered 2.5 years ago—but, well… still waiting on that one.

You also produce the sweat of 10 men

WadeMwrote:

You also produce the sweat of 10 men

Truth.

Greg Steelewrote:

You mean something like this? grivel.com/products/haul-co…

yes! hazah. super cool!