New and experienced climbers over 50 #36

Ward Smithwrote:

Trump has done plenty to criticize, and I do not want to be seen as defending him because I did not vote for him.  But the truth matters.  Please put up sone evidence on this one because I am calling bullshit.

He wasn’t convicted in a penal court, but in a civil case had to pay damages.

Just like he supposedly said to ingest inject bleach to kill COVID, which he never said.  There is plenty to slag him on without making shit up.  And you guys wonder why the left lost.

I’ve got a laundry list of things regarding Tariffs, that pissed me off, but he “clarified” them and I’m good with him now. That, and removing Biden era trade restrictions would be nice.

Li Huwrote:

He wasn’t convicted in a penal court, but in a civil case had to pay damages.

You just proved my point.  Where did he say to inject bleach?  Oh, right, he didn’t. Not a great statement by Trump but nothing at all like the left gave as his quoted words.

How about you actually tell the truth instead of making shit up?  You might win the next election.

Ward Smithwrote:

You just proved my point.  Where did he say bleach?  Oh, right, he didn’t. 

He did, but not in the same sentence.   

Nick Goldsmithwrote:

 The fact that we have a sitting president who has done this shit and are even having this conversation is absurd. What the fuck is the matter with you?

Speaking of civil: If you're going to discuss politics let's try a little civility.

No excuse for personal attacks.

apogeewrote:

I have had the sense as the years have gone on that secularism is becoming more prolific in American society, though this may be a perception gained from the circles I remain within. At the same time, I've heard that there has been a rise in religious participation in recent years among younger generations. I'm curious about the perceptions others have had about this trend (if it exists).

It does exist, the modern churches with rock and roll bands and members with tattoos, piercings and skinny jeans are definitely growing. I call them hipster churches, I almost want to go witness a service sometime just out of curiosity.

As far as political divide right now I definitely think the name calling and juvenile behavior has to stop. Calling people dumbass and comparing them to farm animals has to end. I honestly believe that is how we got to this point. Think about how the other side got where they are, believe that millions of people really have been left behind because they have. Lead by example, step up. 

Folks used to be more civil to each other, maybe these hipster churches are part of the solution?

2.5" of rain today, sunny and climbing with Mom weather tomorrow!

apogee wrote:

For the record:

Trump quote re: injection

Yes but I'm still with Ward on this, and I am as liberal and left leaning as is possible and still allowed to be in the Army:  He never says bleach.

It only makes our (the) Leftist cause worse when we say things that are not true.

Yes he did say injection but you know what, we inject gamma globulins all the time in medicine so as much as we hate to say it, what he said is not without possible merit.

There have been studies completed, though to my knowledge they did not yield statistically significant results, on using IV IG for RSV and COPD exacerbations.

Let's be objective and try to leave the hyperbole and emotions out of it, if you have to discuss politics.

GabeOwrote:

There is a lot i want to touch on from this iteration of the thread. I'll start here. 

Lori, it's no wonder this thread has endured. You always bring up such interesting points. 

I will preface what I'm saying with the acknowledgement that i have not been climbing as long or as hard as some others in this thread. But 25+ years of climbing has taught me one thing. The idea you bring up - that a sense of surety, of willingness to commit, leads to better climbing - while seeming very real, is an illusion.  Certainly it *feels* true, but i don't think it is. 

The truth is more complicated, but it is mostly the reverse. Which is to say: strength, mastery of technique, and the kind of natural movement that comes only from hours and hours on the rock - these things lead to a sense of certainty and an ability to commit, *not* the other way round. 

I say "mostly" because in fact i think it is a feedback loop. As mastery of technique (at a grade and rock type) and strength grows, it leads to better commitment, which in turn cycles around to allow for yet further growth in physical ability. But the main driver of the process (at least for me) is the physical mastery.

To prove this is true, get to the point where you have good flow in an area at a grade. Then try something different - a different style, or a good deal harder - and see how much that sense of flow translates. My experience is that you may still climb well, but the flow vanishes like smoke, because you don't have the strength, the technique, or the intuition for the rock. 

Cheers,

GO

See, that is also a big part of it, of course.

But not the most important, at all, for myself.

Lori and I are both newish to this climbing thing, and, it is soooo often, still, just a wonderment. We're still kids, in that respect....

But then we are also inhabiting bodies that are not the usual age most would expect a rock climber to be, and most certainly not just taking this thing up, in advanced oldish age, and, not female geriatrics, on top of that, lol!

We surprise ourselves! We surprise others! And this entire thing is ...well, just chockablock with what the hell just happened???!??!!!! moments. Usually tiny, but still so rewarding, to stumble into such an improbable thing, at a ludicrous age, and with such terrific people.

It's humbling. And delivers awe, and joy, regularly.

And just plain fun.

If I thought I had 25 years of honing and improving ahead of me, sure, then I'd be more like you.

But I don't, and I'm not, but that's just fine by me. I'll take anything I get.

Including that single tiny shot of astonishment when, yes, that foot really will stand on that bit of invisibility! Stand there, comfortably! Hands free even! Might as well order a pizza, that edge is so good.....

Then you peel, but hey this thing is still sooooo damn fun!

Re hesitancy, dithering around is rarely helpful, climbing or life in general, for me. Just decide, and do it. Sure, think it through, but only so much. And, then, climbing adds the true loveliness of actually aiming to get it jusssst right. See what you think will work, commit, and aim for exactly what you pictured.

I'd go so far as to argue that it is actually part of the physical process of this, "seeing" the move, having that set in your head, then letting the body execute. That, to me, is the beauty of watching you peeps with experience. It's precise, and graceful, and not at all automatic, when you're new at it, or for a long time. Maybe never.

That's what a great coach saying to commit to the move, is hoping for, I'm guessing, the precision.

And, you do, after all, have to throw enough oomph into it to get there. 

In my life in general, this has been a gift, from climbing. Don't talk yourself out of it. That "it" can be all sorts of things. 

That said, I am off to the store now. To buy milk, but also some flowers. Talked myself out of it, earlier today. 

But tiny joys matter.

"Happy Mothers day, mom. Why, thank you."

He'll remember he owns a mom....eventually. 

But I'll be buying my own flowers, lol! I'll extort a latte, or something, out of him next week 

Helen

Re the bleach discussion above? It would also be good to remember how crazy scary, and just plain crazy it was 5 years ago. Cut people some slack. 

Great interview with Dave Barry on NPR today. He made a point, that, bitd, nothing was out of bounds for humor, and everyone was fair game. But, it was civil, which meant even the target could laugh. 

That's what has made these threads so long running, and admired by a great many lurkers out there 

Simple respect.

H.

Convicted of sexual abuse. acused by 16 different women of sexual assult one of whome was 13yrs old at the time and its democrats fault for not useing the correct termanology.... 

So how do you guys feel about the suspension of the writ of habeas corpus.  Steven Miller just indicated that this is under discussion if the administration doesn’t get the results in the courts that they are looking for. Even suggesting such is kind of unprecedented outside of the civil war. 

Absolutely shameful and disgusting.

Frank Steinwrote:

So how do you guys feel about the suspension of the writ of habeas corpus.  Steven Miller just indicated that this is under discussion if the administration doesn’t get the results in the courts that they are looking for. Even suggesting such is kind of unprecedented outside of the civil war. 

Coaxing the country into civil war is the goal.  If you set up all the conditions for something to come to be, it generally comes together, like watts’ bumblebee and flower.  None of us has seen anything yet.  Even if you remember the great war, our own government wasnt the enemy of its people.  No hyperbole, all we can do is wait to pass judgement on these statements because the survival of the constitution and democracy in the united states is FAR from certain.  I am aware of the “ive seen everything” political attitudes expressed here, by the most respected among us.  I am sorry, as uncomfortable as it may be to realize, none of us has seen this.  

Frank Steinwrote:

So how do you guys feel about the suspension of the writ of habeas corpus.  Steven Miller just indicated that this is under discussion if the administration doesn’t get the results in the courts that they are looking for. Even suggesting such is kind of unprecedented outside of the civil war. 

They are playing a game of 'chicken' with John Roberts and the Supreme Court--trying to intimidate them into ruling their way ( believing that Roberts', knowing that realistically the Court has few 'weapons' to force compliance with it's rulings, is afraid of a true Constitutional confrontation, so will likely give them just enough leeway to do what they want). But, whether this happens or not, Trumpist authoritarianism becomes more overt every day. On this I agree with M1 H1.

All other issues aside the thing that gets to me the most is we cannot be allowed some Trump-free time. I promised myself this time I would ignore, look away, not give him rent free space continually in my head. Let it ride, let it ride.  Not hate him, just ignore him and vote in 2028.  I guess he’s not happy unless he has everyone’s full attention 24/7.

He affects me in the same way my ADHD son did. I was exhausted, trying to keep up with him. The difference is my son didn’t have a mean or evil bone in him, he just was constantly into everything. Trump is coming down hard against everything we hold precious.

How many good years do we have to give Trump?  But now he’s knocking right on our front doors. It truly is a national emergency. Dammit, we have to rise to the occasion. 

I just hope that people realize that even though this is supposed to be in the context of immigration, once habeas is suspended, it’ll apply to everyone 

Only been gym climbing this week so seeing this snake in my garden after he gave me the final warning was my most exciting moment of my week. I went to the Pasadena gym with the family today and am still stuck on v4 but I did 4 v4’s including 2 first try. 

J Westgatewrote:

Nick you are buying a stick clip!!! I think you are converting to Ed’s religion. 

All I can say is:

"Resistance is futile, you will be assimilated..."

ed "everything is proceeding as I have foreseen..." e

Frank Steinwrote:

I just hope that people realize that even though this is supposed to be in the context of immigration, once habeas is suspended, it’ll apply to everyone 

And the people who are in charge of these snatch and jail ops, cabinet members and major advisors, they'd do it to anyone they don't like, anyone in the way, anyone who disagrees. 

K Mwrote:

A few days without service can be refreshing 

Wow, that's crazy looking geology you got there!

I confess, I kinda liked it that COR had pretty much nothing for phone service, most of the earlier years when I was there. It's still hit and miss, but there, if you know where to look. 

I have days I think about pulling the plug on online anything.....but these connections we have?.Do matter to me. Very much.

Less than a month to first trip to City, yay!

Helen