Is it Risk or out of Cash.

Nick Goldsmith wrote:

to suggest that Paul Ross doesn't spray is fucking hilarious. 

Some people have done things worth spraying about

Paul Ross wrote:

I never had a problem finding unclimbed multi pitch rock both in Colorado and Utah and sure if blank sections appeared we placed a bolt for aid or protection ... sorry I do find your post  confusing .

For a sport climb to exist all you need is a rock that is good enough for bolts. For a trad climb to exist you need a rock, you also need the conditions for it to have workable pro. Therefore there will always be more sport climbs to be created than trad climbs since the conditions for a sport climb to be created are lower.

If there is an abundance of first ascents to be done on gear I would think it would be worth posting in your local community. If you help people find trad climbs there will likely be more trad climbs developed and more for you to climb.

One of the powers of community is helping people in whatever marginal way you can. Maybe you can’t put up great first ascents but you can still help them happen.

Rob Dillon wrote:

Maybe boulderers and sportos are just the ones who feel compelled to tell everyone about their super sikk new find

This is a terrible attitude. I would rather surround myself with people that are psyched. Also the opportunity cost of a new climb is low. If it sucks and no one does it, it doesn’t cost you anything. If it sucks and people climb it, your crag is now less crowded.

Eric Engberg wrote:

Some people have done things worth spraying about

What? Like berating a 66 year old grandmother who is recovering from knee surgery for sport climbing instead of trad climbing, while spraying about how many FA's he did after having knee replacements...  repeatedly starting threads bashing sport climbing in the vain attempt to remind us that he was a bad assed trad climber? 

Two Words:
Connor Herson

Nick Goldsmith wrote:

What? Like berating a 66 year old grandmother who is recovering from knee surgery for sport climbing instead of trad climbing, while spraying about how many FA's he did after having knee replacements...  repeatedly starting threads bashing sport climbing in the vain attempt to remind us that he was a bad assed trad climber? 

Nobody said  sport climbing was not good exercise and fun ... Must admit have put one or two such climbs ... Just thoughts that bouldering and sport  now seems the main pastime of the climbing world ... No need for folk to get their knickers in a twist .. 

so now you are backing off and saying you didn't really mean it. 

Climbing continues to grow in popularity. Bouldering is the easiest/cheapest way to get into it. Sport climbing is the next easier and cheapest. Simply by virtue of numerical distribution, the avenues of climbing that are the most accessible with the least amount of hoops to jump through (be it knowledge, money, accessibility, safety), are going to be what see the greatest growth. 

Bouldering requires next to zero knowledge to get into. Sport climbing requires a lot more, but still barely anything compared to trad and alpine. Same with financial outlay of both vs. trad and alpine.

I'm all for people going to those two things instead of trad especially if that's what they're stoked on. A huge part of what got me into trad in the first place was how much I loathe being at busy crags and how much easier it is to get away from people as a trad climber.

EDIT: I hope my comment doesn't come off as belittling anyone, not sure if you gathered that from what I said Nick but definitely not my intention if so. Cheaper costs to entry and lower degree of knowledge required is a benefit in the eyes of many people, I would think.

I can't imagine being a bouldered or sport climber on a road trip and be looking at features like Devils Tower or Black Velvet canyon or South peak @Seneca and not know how to get on top of them. That being said I don't see the glory in belittling sport climbers. 

Nick Goldsmith wrote:

I can't imagine being a bouldered or sport climber on a road trip and be looking at features like Devils Tower or Black Velvet canyon or South peak @Seneca and not know how to get on top of them. That being said I don't see the glory in belittling sport climbers. 

About 7 years ago we spent 1.5 weeks in Red Rocks climbing nothing but sport routes.

Come on its just a harmless troll thread. Tain't no thing.

Nick Goldsmith wrote:

so now you are backing off and saying you didn't really mean it. 

"It's just a prank bro"

I think people should spend less time arguing about what type of climbing and more time doing it or working on techniques around it. I don't care what you do. As long as it's not aid /s

Nick Goldsmith wrote:

I can't imagine being a bouldered or sport climber on a road trip and be looking at features like Devils Tower or Black Velvet canyon or South peak @Seneca and not know how to get on top of them. That being said I don't see the glory in belittling sport climbers. 

I can't imagine how you could walk past one of the most famous boulder problems in the world and not even be strong enough to make one move on sleepwalker / sarcasm 

Bro I'll be projecting that v13 until I die or have no tendons attached to my fingers