What tips do you have for "exploratory rappelling"?
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Heyo MP amigos, I'm working on an article for my website Alpinesavvy called "Exploratory Rappelling". I'm loosely defining this as:
What do you think are some things that you think could be important in this situation? I've got a few tips in a draft article but I'm sure I'm missing some things. What might you add to this list?
Constructive suggestions are welcome. Thanks for helping me improve this future article. John |
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Established route, but unsure
Epic in progress
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Adam Flemingwrote: Adam, outstanding suggestions as usual, thank you! |
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To add a couple thoughts to the list: Epic in progress:
Established route:
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I get what you’re going for with a term like “exploratory rappelling.” But context collapse is real and I’d be worried some people will think you’re writing a how-to guide for exploring cliffs via rappel (as opposed to descending from a climb). For example some guys who did not feel up to climbing The Nose hiked to the top to rappel it instead. They needed a rescue. I think Adam’s comment points to a better way to frame the subject. Maybe there are really two articles here: rappelling an established descent route for the first time, and rappelling out of an epic. There’s some overlap but they are different situations. And both are clearly climbing situations. In terms of the content: as they descend, climbers really need to keep doing the math of:
Seems basic but I think it is worth emphasizing in the article, as it is easy to lose track in the immediacy of route finding, anchors, weather, etc. |
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Down by Andy Kirkpatrick a definitive work on the subject. |
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Jabroni McChufferson wrote: Thanks for your suggestion. I'm curious about why you would not want to throw the rope? Can you elaborate on that? |
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Alpine Savvywrote: Choss. You can easily know loose rocks down on the remaining tails. |
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For an "epic in progress" hardly any traffic is not no traffic. It is useful to keep an eye out for past bail anchors, though only use with thorough inspection. Many walls are littered with past bail anchors. In the same vein, it is important to keep in mind that the ground is not the only possible destination. Angling your rappels to meet up with an established rap line can save you a bunch of gear and bring your epic to an end sooner. |
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Alpine Savvywrote: The reason I don’t like throwing the rope down in certain terrain is that there can be a lot of crap below you that the rope can slide into, wrap around, get caught on… then when you stop and the end is below you and you try to pull it up, it doesn’t always want to come. |
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The last person down, makes sure the entire rope is in parallel lines. Separate left and right line separated if you can . |
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A lot of great comments here, and I want to echo what James said about clarifying your term. I'm thinking of it from a context in canyoneering (which is a lot of my background) and places like Death Valley you're essentially committed when you rap down canyon but there's not a lot of natural anchor options, let alone established anchors. I'm also thinking of when I do big canyons in Zion and use a rope bag to throw over (addressing the "don't throw your rope" comment) until I hear a "thud" in the bottom. The route Behunin has a 165ft rappel followed by a 100ft with a short ledge in between, so I'm relying on that "thud" to know my rope will reach the ground (especially when you're descending in the dark and both your headlamps were left in the car and your phone died because it was submerged in a small pool of water. Of course nobody would be so foolish...). But from a climbing perspective, all this might not really apply if you're bailing or going down a route you've climbed. I also want to echo about Andy Kirkpatrick's book Down. Incredibly thorough and excellent resource. |
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Epic in progress. A shiver bivy and waiting until daylight over rapping into unknown terrain is sometimes the best decision. |
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When climbing with doubles (50s or 60s), I always keep in mind that I can rap 100 or 120 meters by passing the knot. If that gets me to the ground (on many local routes it definitely will) in an epic, great! I’ll come back later to get the ropes if I can. If not, it was an expensive lesson in cutting things too close by epic-ing in the first place. Not part of the question, but if my buddy is injured, I can lower him that same long distance (hopefully to the ground) by tying the ropes together and using a Munter on an HMS biner and passing the knot through the biner (nice technique to have in the bag o’ tricks). |
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Do we get to read this article for free since we helped ;) |
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Good - get someone else to go first Better - get someone else to go last Best - lets go sport climbing! |
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Not so savvy for the alpine, eh? Is this what the Internet has come to?? |
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Yer gonna die! |
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Climb Onwrote: Good question. Pretty much all my articles are available in the complete form for free. This one, because it's pretty recent will be about 80% free on the main part of my website. My premium members will be able to read the entire article. Membership is at the very dirtbag friendly price of $.30 per day so affordable for just about everybody. |
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Stileswrote: Maybe sit this one out dude. John's site has done more for climbing than you ever will, or most of us for that matter. Me included. Knowledge I've gained from Alpine Savvy has quite literally saved me during an emergency rap/epic situation and given me countless other skills I didn't have before finding his site. |
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Cosmic Hotdogwrote: Duly noted, Hotdog. My tongue in cheek bump struck a nerve? My apologies. Andy Kirkpatrick's copious writings are worth repeated study when not out in the alpine learning from doing. Knowledge is power, and cash is king! Thirty cents trumps 2 cents any day. And getting yourself to the ground rather than hitting the button on you PLB--priceless!! |




