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Joshua Tree vs High Sierra Grades

Dirtbag Beta · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Dec 2018 · Points: 0

The best method for determining grade comparison between the High Sierra and Joshua Tree is by applying the Yielded Grade Differential (YGD).

The YGD states that:

High Sierra Grade =

HS(YDS) + (E / 6900) + (D / 3900) - (P × 0.2)

Joshua Tree Grade =

JT(YDS) + ((92 - T) / 11) + ((2025 - FA) / 61)

Where:

  • HS(YDS) / JT(YDS) = Yosemite Decimal Grade (e.g., 5.9 → 9.0)

  • E = Elevation in feet (High Sierra)

  • D = Distance from the road in feet

  • P = Number of pitches

  • T = Ambient temperature in °F (Joshua Tree)

  • FA = Year of first ascent

Case Study A – Crescent Arch (Tuolumne)

  • Grade: 5.9

  • Elevation: 8,500 ft

  • Approach: 1,000 ft

  • Pitches: 3

Case Study B – Double Dip (Joshua Tree)

  • Grade: 5.9

  • Temperature: 87°F

  • FA: 1972

Calculations:

Crescent Arch (High Sierra 5.9)
9.0 + (8,500 / 6900) + (1,000 / 3900) - (3 × 0.2) = 9.89
→ Approximately YGD 5.9

Double Dip (Joshua Tree 5.9)
9.0 + ((92 - 87) / 11) + ((2025 - 1972) / 61) = 9.89
→ Approximately YGD 5.9

This method is currently accepted among climbers with a strong grasp of fictional mathematics.
Results may vary depending on ego, acclimatization, or sunscreen application technique.

Whether you're in the High Sierra or JTree, remember: YGD

Jabroni McChufferson · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Aug 2024 · Points: 0

All I know is jtree climbers are usually strong as F

Christopher Antimie · · Unknown Hometown · Joined May 2022 · Points: 30

Alois, I appreciate your expanding on your original post. I understood your initial point but perhaps underestimated what your were trying to relate-- thank you for reiterating. 

Dirtbag Beta, thanks for your thorough breakdown of the fictional mathematics haha. I definitely had a good laugh with your post

Guy Keesee · · Moorpark, CA · Joined Mar 2008 · Points: 349

IMHO…. CRS is the hardest summit to attain in the Sierra.

Cosmic Hotdog · · Southern California · Joined Sep 2019 · Points: 310
Guy Keesee wrote:

IMHO…. CRS is the hardest summit to attain in the Sierra.

CRS?

Charlie Oh · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Mar 2021 · Points: 0
Cosmic Hotdog wrote:

CRS?

Castle rock spire, guarded by PO, snakes, and all sorts of nasty critters and vegetation. 

Cosmic Hotdog · · Southern California · Joined Sep 2019 · Points: 310
Charlie Oh wrote:

Castle rock spire, guarded by PO, snakes, and all sorts of nasty critters and vegetation. 

Thanks Charlie, I didn't recognize the acronym and then when searching the High Sierra routes I was coming up empty. 

Castle Rock Spire is in Sequoia & Kings Canyon National Park so now I see why I couldn't find it. 

Alois Smrz · · Idyllwild, CA · Joined Dec 2019 · Points: 1,637

Guy, re the CRS, you would know......

Some people also say that the CRS is the hardest summit in the Sierra Nevada to get up on, by REGULAR route, being grade IV, 5.11b or so, when done free.

Tommy Sicilian · · Long Beach · Joined Mar 2017 · Points: 115

The bottom up approach is the real crux, but the summit is fantastic . Don’t forget the Tyvek suit

Guideline #1: Don't be a jerk.

Southern California
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