New and Experienced Climbers over 50 #33

1 vote for the fossil to start his own thread

What's the point of telling Calor,s story... In a massive wall of text. Tell your own stories.. 

fossil wrote:

Lori,

I know your attention span is short, so I am bringing Alan Rubin's advice up front and center for you to consider again...

"The best way, by far, to achieve the 'flow' and conservation of energy on the rock that you are seeking ( and that is necessary, for most of us, to progress in climbing), is to 'log in' very large amounts of easier climbing, well below our limits, until we are able to 'internalize' the necessary movements and, as a result, not waste unnecessary energy ( both physical and psychological) and time on the easier parts of routes.

I know this has been discussed before and you have told us that you do, in fact, do a good amount of easier climbing that you don't 'report' on here, but, given what you are saying, I have a strong suspicion that you still haven't/don't do it enough---or, maybe, with the right 'mind set'. I understand that you, not at all unreasonably, feel the ' pressure of time' and, as a result, an urgency to get on and do your dream routes while you still can. However, I strongly feel that if you can temporarily 'shelve' those goals for a time, while you concentrate on doing easier routes ( and even low-ball and easy boulder problems including traverses--make up your own), including such things as trying one-hand and no hand climbs ( or, even, just sections of climbs), you will be able to actually achieve those goals, and in a more satisfying manner, more quickly."

Either that or, perhaps consulting a ManBunned top rope guide who has a thin beard and smells like old tomato soup while he teaches you yoga really is the best way forward in your circumstance.

And because you may have missed it the first time around, I feel I must remind you, "Ok, before I get my britches in a lather."   if this was in reference to me calling this a senior citizen thread, don't you know girl you're not supposed just out it on an internet forum that I'm having that sort of effect on you. I am a private sorta guy, you have to keep this quiet."

Adding my vote to MH and Nick above and adding:

People often do not realize how their tone comes across on the internet.  You may be attempting charm, humor and wit.  However to my ear, the above "conversation" inflicted at Lori sounds arrogant, self-important, and condescending.  Not to mention, the whole "girl" thing.  Yeah, what century is this from? Kinda has the strong odor of incel about it.  

Of course, just my opinion.  I certainly know how to use the ignore button if you don't agree with me...

Jay Goodwin wrote:

I enjoyed reading Hank's story (relayed by fossil) much more than anything ever posted by self-absorbed Lori.

Edit: agree with what phyl is saying below. Keep Caylor story. The rest of fossil's post I don't need.

Sure.  Cool story bro.  But why here? And describing Lori as self absorbed is a hilarious take

Caylors story is awesome but pretty sure he is over 50 now and could tell it to us himself.  It comes across as just a bunch of chest thumping and name dropping.

rgold wrote:

I'm pretty sure the third guy isn't Ivan, but don't know who it is.  Stannard and Bein for sure.

I've known Ivan for 40+  years, I saw him about 5 months ago - it's not him. 

WF WF51 wrote:

I've known Ivan for 40+  years, I saw him about 5 months ago - it's not him. 

Could it be Russ Clune or maybe this pic too old for him to be in it ?

phylp phylp wrote:

Adding my vote to MH and Nick above and adding:

People often do not realize how their tone comes across on the internet.  You may be attempting charm, humor and wit.  However to my ear, the above "conversation" inflicted at Lori sounds arrogant, self-important, and condescending.  Not to mention, the whole "girl" thing.  Yeah, what century is this from? Kinda has the strong odor of incel about it.  

Of course, just my opinion.  I certainly know how to use the ignore button if you don't agree with me...

Remember that he’s 90.   

Todd Berlier wrote:

I nominate you to start this thread the next time...

I suspect our ignore lists are similar, so I will if you don't. :)

Edit: In case it isn't clear, I say this to you, Phylp, with love and respect.

I generally read everything people write here, but my new career limits the amount of time I can read posts. Kudos to those who’ve read and analysed the writing here.

I personally enjoy hearing what people are up to now.  Yes it is an over 50’s thread.  No life is not in the past.  Thats what makes it valuable and interesting to me.  I enjoy history too and its amazing to see those humble contributions from some of the figures themselves, but that seems to be a different, and valuable thread of its own distinct character, maybe for all ages to participate in.  

M1 H1 wrote:

. . .   I enjoy history too and its amazing to see those humble contributions from some of the figures themselves, but that seems to be a different, and valuable thread of its own distinct character, maybe for all ages to participate in.  

I've wondered about that also. This thread seems more an ongoing chat about achievements, goals and training among several participants. I think a separate thread about climbing history and philosophy might be a better place to discuss those subjects. However, in general the climbing community may have little interest in how the sport evolved from its origins in the latter half of the nineteenth century. From my perspective it's unfortunate that MP isn't more like the Taco (I enjoyed chatting with Largo about the meaning of awareness). But this is more a climbing forum than a climbers' forum. 

I swore off Facebook after being scammed twice there. Just my thoughts - and I'm two years shy of 90 

John Gill wrote:

This thread seems more an ongoing chat about achievements, goals and training among several participants. I think a separate thread about climbing history and philosophy might be a better place to discuss those subjects.

I disagree, John.

Yes, this is a group of very diverse people who share one particular passion. But at least for the year or so that I've read this thread, it seems to be for everything and anything climbers would talk about. Sure, that includes achievements, goals and training. I think it definitely also includes climbing history and philosophy.

I for one may not respond to a lot of your history posts, but I find them (and those of others too) interesting and definitely relevant. As just one example, I climb a lot at Pinnacles National Park. Jim Langford was the first official climbing ranger there (late 1960s and into the '70s). He was an important figure to those of us who know our Pinnacles climbing history. I vaguely knew that he was active too in the Tetons. But several history-related posts have mentioned him in that context and it's fun to learn more about him. As you know, he's gone now.

Lots of other subjects get discussed too. Dogs, health issues, other passions and other general news. It's an interesting group of people and topics.

Thanks for your posts and for the kindness and understanding with which you make them.

This thread is a wandering mishmash of the living history of this little group and whatever else we feel like talking about. 

Living very close to Canada I am embarrassed and dismayed by what an incompetent flaming asshole our president is.. 25% tarrif on our friends and vital business partners. really?? WTF.  Most of the lumber we use here in the NE comes from Quebec and new Brunswick..  Way to put a hit on the construction industry as well as totally screw everyone who is just trying to build a house to live in. 

Needed to escape again so called up my 77 year old ski buddy John. Lots of snow up on MtWishIcouldTellya. Very cold and a bit breezy. We broke a lot of trail up there today.

many places we could not even see the traces of our trail

We got a bit tuckered out but at the same time refreshed.. 

Nick Goldsmith wrote:

This thread is a wandering mishmash of the living history of this little group and whatever else we feel like talking about. 

Exactly what I was trying to say but in fewer words.

Nick Goldsmith wrote:

This thread is a wandering mishmash of the living history of this little group and whatever else we feel like talking about.

Agree! It’s fun reading about everything and anything about climbing.

Living very close to Canada I am embarrassed and dismayed by what an incompetent flaming asshole our president is.. 25% tarrif on our friends and vital business partners. really?? WTF.  Most of the lumber we use here in the NE comes from Quebec and new Brunswick..  Way to put a hit on the construction industry as well as totally screw everyone who is just trying to build a house to live in.

Or rebuild after a fire.

Needed to escape again so called up my 77 year old ski buddy John. Lots of snow up on MtWishIcouldTellya. Very cold and a bit breezy. We broke a lot of trail up there today.

many places we could not even see the traces of our trail

We got a bit tuckered out but at the same time refreshed.. 

Very nice!

I agree that the sometimes rambling but very diverse conversation ( or conversations) on this thread are what makes it so appealing. When there are topics being discussed that don't interest me, I'll just skim them or skip them entirely, but then, almost inevitably, one or two posts later will be something that I find to be of great interest. So my 'vote' is to not divert certain topics to other threads, but to continue to maintain our wide-ranging discussions. 

I'm gonna use my third and last post of the day to address one other thing: To my way of understanding, two unkind things were said about Lori earlier in this thread. Both comments surprised the shit out of me and did not seem to fit in this thread (inadvertent or not, I could not tell).

I hope Lori reads this, my view of her posts. In many cases, she doesn't climb the same way that I climb. She doesn't do leads (I think). Or first ascents, or write guidebooks, or (I suspect) religiously note down every route she's ever done and with who when.

And yet her posts about climbing and life fit this thread; indeed they help fill it out nicely. Why? Or at least why for me? Here's why: in spite of the differences in the way she climbs from the way I climb, two things come through in her posts that every climber could use more of. Two things: passion and grit. Probably four actually; add in joy and energy.

Keep it up, Lori. Lots of us enjoy your posts.

And Nick? I love your posts, but I could absolutely never, ever (EVER!) do those ice-water things you do. Gee-sus

Skiing the marsh and clearing another bit of snow here in Maine. I wonder sometimes if Carl has any interest in a house swap for a few weeks every winter! I believe I spend about 5-10 hours a week clearing snow and it's getting to be a real time suck 

Ice plunge is easy. It's a mental challenge to talk yourself into it but once you get past the fear it's easy and only cold while you are going in the first time. When you come out you are toasty warm. You can stand outside naked in sun zero temps for quite a while after a plunge and feel totally comfortable.