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New and Experienced Climbers over 50 #31
Nick Goldsmithwrote: So Tony has only heard me bitch and moan over J Tree rock, especially slab, and he believes that all other climbs with holds must be 'easy'. So, I showed him Gabe's video, he stared at it for the longest time with a look of shock. He totally didn't know what to say. Plenty of holds, just no way to use them, unless you are a 5.12 climber. He asked why Gabe was 'sideways'. Here was what I climbed yesterday, no slab. Although I was instantly drawn to the slab route next to me. This morning I could understand why I couldn't do the mantle. I have no triceps! Today, my arms... everything... are just trashed. (Photo Bob’s)  |
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Birthday pictures! I like the idea. Here's a birthday shot of Mt. St. Helens from Norwegian Pass  Do we need a Gunks shot too? How about this picture taken at Gertrude's Nose  |
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Lori, happy b-day! Here's a birthday shot for you of a very different kind of climbing with no holds. This is me in my happy place:  And just for fun, here's another:  Cheers, GO |
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Happy birthday Lori - here is my pic for you - a cutthroat trout from Colorado.  This is why we fish. And the fact that here is where you can catch these.  |
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Happy Birthday, Lori! |
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That is one beautiful fish Jan! Thank you all for posting pictures. I love pictures! I don’t know why this age thing has me so befuddled. 71 is a big number. Are we young or are we old? It was With a lot of trepidation that I stepped back onto rock a few days ago. Like, what did I think was going to happen? Honestly, I guess I thought maybe this is it, it’s over and I’ll be going home in a wheelchair. I just haven’t completely bought the idea that the aging we see around us is natural or inevitable. I’ve read about senescence, about accelerated decline at a cellular level due to the drop off of hormones. But short of catastrophic injury or illness I don’t think our bodies have to totally decay and go to hell. I got this note from my registered dietitian yesterday: I will also say, the FDA's guidelines are part of the reason the country is morbidly obese, so I wouldn't take what they say as the gospel. They want us to be dependent on the government for assistance and care and dont mind if we are sick and feel like garbage. I dont think you necessarily need 1g/lb of body weight - that is the 'bro' way of protein - but 0.82g/lb is optimal. Here's a good read about this topic: mennohenselmans.com/the-myt… To your point, the needs for older people are much higher for protein, as it degrades faster in the body. We both know you do better with sufficient calorie intake, and I genuinely believe that is why a lot of people slow down as theyre older - they dont challenge their body, they don't move it, and they start to 'give up' and not intake sufficient fuel, since they remain apathetic, and it is sad as they wither away. So… FWIW .82 g/lb of protein is still a lot, and seems to be one of the very few actual knowns about staying healthy. The article included was one of the better ones on the subject. I felt pretty trashed and wiped out yesterday morning so I went right to work getting enough nutrition. I made a three egg omelette with ham. I had a 25 g protein shake later in the morning. Some pasta with meat sauce for lunch and most of the leftover chuck roast with vegetables for dinner. Fell 50 g short my .82 goal but at least I felt much stronger and better at the end of the day. I love the whole story about this bike. Has anyone ridden a Rivendell?  |
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Lori, I normally avoid participating in the 'nutrition' discussions ( I'm pretty much an omnivore though my wife,Helen, tries hard to keep us healthy in that department), but I have to say that your dietician's political comment in her first paragraph, makes me extremely leery of everything else that she states!!!! As far as aging, like it or not---primarily 'not', it does happen to all of us but unevenly for each person---with so many variables---genetics, environment, diet, exercise, mental activity, amount of stress,luck....So, every day, we should each do what we can with what we currently 'have available' at our own pace, while we can. I don't like what 'nature' is doing to me and our peers, but, personally, don't find any value in obsessing about it. Just my approach. |
 Happy Birthday Lori. Here is our local (McCall) slab climb, AKA Slickrock. 7 pitches. Spectacular view from the summit. Rated as the third best moderate multipitch in the US by Climbing Magazine BITD. Trailhead is 10 miles from my house. Visiting climbers always welcome. |
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how hard is it? we had a DR friend who had lots of theories about cholesterol and other health issues and gave lectures about his theories. He then became a trumper which com[pletly tarnished his credibility on all those issues. we then started checking the sources of a lot of the info that he was sending us and it was coming from very skeptical sources... Classic case of searching for, finding and believing any evidence that supports your opinions while disregarding any evidence that disproves your theory as being fake news. |
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More slab!!! Really nice, Nick. Thank you! I’m up having a visit with Dave this morning. It was such a surprise when Bob offered to come up here with me and set this route up. I didn’t dare ask because it’s quite a journey but he offered and so I got to check off another Houser route. Bottle In Front of Me. But it turns out to be one of the most serene places to visit and meditate. 
So Alan. I guess I want to clarify. My registered dietitian is also a diabetic like me and an athlete and I’ve been working with him for two or three years almost weekly. That’s the first time he’s kind of let loose with a conspiracy theory, but I am starting to feel the same way. we could know so much more than we do about the health needs of senior citizens . I am finding that even my favorite Kaiser doctors are totally focused on pharmaceutical medication. Never one time has a physician asked me or Tony what we eat. I do have to fill out this little half form with every visit that asks about exercise, but it is never looked at. How many minutes a week “exercise”. Not how much strength training or how much cardio or even if it just means walking to the bathroom. But I started bringing in climbing pictures and that changes the conversation a great deal. Yesterday Tony saw his cardiologist and the only conversation was whether or not Tony was taking various medications. He’s not taking any! So there was nothing left to talk about. 15 years ago when I visited my endocrinologist, she looked at my arms and said “Lori, you’ve lost a lot of muscle. Everything has gone slack!” And honestly, it was the first time I had noticed that. So she got busy with some testing and I walked away with not only the diabetes diagnosis, but osteoporosis, celiac disease, severe iron deficiency, hypothyroidism, and a host of other issues. Other than to adopt a gluten-free diet though she had nothing to offer. It was my job to start reading and asking around. If you saw me then it would be hard to fathom me Climbing today. So I don’t know why “health” is not a priority, but it isn’t in the medical field. Sickness is. One wise Dr. said to me “Lori, find your own recipe.“ And that’s all I’m looking for here. Just give me a number. Tell me how many grams of protein prevents muscle loss. Tell me how much vitamin D I need. If I need two days of strength training weekly, fine. Let me just have the full cha-cha so I can do what I need to do and not obsess about it. I guess had I not caught the Climbing bug I could be sitting in the La-Z-Boy with my best friend getting older by the minute. (She just finally moved in with her niece because she can no longer take care of herself and can barely walk to the mailbox. ). But I struggled with exhaustion and weakness from Climbing so severely I had to do something or just quit. So Ben, the registered dietitian, just hammered away on protein and muscle loss and hydration and electrolytes, etc. Now I have my little food scale, I try to keep track, but it doesn’t take up that much time. I’m trying to keep track of water because I don’t get thirsty, but I know it’s easy to lose fluids here in the desert. And I’m already well recovered from climbing on Wednesday The thing is none of this is esoteric or weird information. The medical establishment surely has access to the studies. Why isn’t that part of their healthcare?
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Alan Rubinwrote: It doesn’t help a case to have strong opinions. Lori, 0.82gms is on the high side per kg not pounds. The range varies from 0.6gms to 0.8gms per kg of body weight. Unless you’re building mass, it’s not necessary to increase protein by more than that much. I’m about 85kg to 88kg and have settled upon 60gms to 80gms these days. Seems comfortable? At 0.82gm/pound, I felt bloated and heavy. Lots of veggies, just 60-80gms and a couple potatoes worth of carbs per day seem very comfortable. I’m roughly 15% to 16% body fat. |
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Well my PCT trip with my older daughter went quite well. Unfortunately, the trail up north, in Washington, is still closed and it appears certain now that my younger daughter and I will not be able to finish to Canada until next summer. Sigh... I had such high hopes. We've managed to get within 109 miles of Canada though in spite of such issues. I suspect that next summer will eventually arrive and that she and I will finish. Meanwhile, I'm gonna leave today for a five day backpack. There are some pretty remote peaks I want to summit in northwestern Yosemite and autumn is upon us. Here's a link to the PCT trip report that I did on the Pinnacles climbing site Mudn'Crud (if I can make a link work). I leave it here as a link because photos posted in this site stay pretty small unless one clicks on them and on Mudn'Crud they're the size I want and a person can just read the report. If interested. |
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Brad - WOW! What great photos! Brings back some memories of many years ago of some of my times in the Sierra. It is indeed a beautiful range. Thanks for sharing. |
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Great report as usual Brad. Thanks for taking us along. |
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I want to thank Brandt for climbing with me today at Joshua tree. He is the slab Master. I had a great time climbing with him and just watching him climb. We were also very lucky. The weather was perfect while we were climbing and we got off just before the rain and thunder hit.   Again, thanks Brandt John |
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It was an intense male-bonding experience! |
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got out with an old friend yesterday sport climbing. Dont think we had climbed since 2017???? Jim was the rope gun but I managed to get a shot of him following a cool climb.  Fall colors are happening.. The dried needles on the holds are annoying this time of year. |
Nick Goldsmithwrote: Was climbing in Canada the last few days and one slabby crag we hit was a a few number grades harder because of the spruce needles dropping from the drought. We switched to the vertical crag quickly!  |
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where in Canada? |
Nick Goldsmithwrote: Cochrane lane in Welsford, it's similar rock to Acadia but 10x bigger. We saw about ten people in 3 days!  |
