An unpopular take on The Alpinist

Mr Rogerswrote:

You know how many documentaries are like this?  Post Humus documentaries are quite normal and tell a story chronologically many times. Or docs where they do not give away the "truth " until the end, or in general just slap ya in the face in the end. See: Plot twist.

Some Docs that come to mind:
Grizzly man
Streetwise
Capturing the Friedmans
Dear Zachary
The deepest breath
Running with the Devil: The Wild World of John McAfee

Nothing new here, just not your cup of tea.

Free Solo could have easily been on the list, the actual name of the documentary or the content may have been different though. 

Into the Wild..

Alex Supertramp had some great adventures. he  got by on less and experienced more that most folks ever will. he fcked up in the end  and died but he was a hell of an interesting and capable person.  Reading that book inspired me to quit my job and take a much needed mental break/road trip.  living frugally and minimalistic while sleeping in the dirt is good for the soul.

Would like to remind everybody saying “opinions are not facts” are presenting an opinion as a fact.

Truth is a thing which exists and we use our rational brains to discern it. If two people have two different opinions, of those opinions, one is always closer or further from the truth.

“Opinions are not facts.” Is a non-sequitur so cannot be aligned with truth.

Truth exists, eh.  Like the earth is the immovable center of the universe? There was a time that was foundational to the point of Galileo's persecution.  What exactly happened since then? Why did that "opinion" not stand the test of time? Or maybe it still does with some - so be it.

Opinions can contain facts.
Opinions can also be batshit.

They can both exist. It's how it's presented is what gets me, and I think a lot of us.

Example from things in this thread:
I want to hear why YOU(anyone) don't like documentaries that end with a "surprise" death.
Not that documentaries that do that are wrong.

Telling others one format of a documentary is better than another is, IMO, just odd to me.
I like the alpinist. Is that okay?

@Bill, because it wasn’t the truth.

Mr. Rogers, you don’t have to like the way the truth is presented in order for it to still be the truth. Whether you like something or not has no bearing on the truth of it at all.

You can enjoy this documentary all you want. There are many ways of telling emotive stories, that doesn’t mean we should do all of them. If I kidnapped a puppy and made a film about torturing it, that would be very emotive, but it would also objectively be a terrible film, even if it did really well in a tight circle of people who like abusing animals. 

Marc Andre was on a crash course with no guidance and the producers were more concerned with desperately trying to get him on film doing something dangerous than with his obviously ailing mental health. His mother also didn’t seem to care. There’s nothing romantic about dying young in the mountains.

Eric Marxwrote:

@Bill, because it wasn’t the truth.

Correct. They held opinions about the Bible that were not aligned with the facts. And science eventually exposed the facts of the matter.

Until that exposure, wisdom would have held that their opinions were not fact and Galileo might have been spared persecution.

Yes. It is your opinion that the golden rule originated from christianity and was then embraced by the world. That is not fact and contradicts written history.

Marc Andre was on a crash course … with … obviously ailing mental health. His mother also didn’t seem to care.

Worse than holding to an opinion to the exclusion of all others is simple, unfounded character assassination twice over. The pattern repeats and is as destructive as ever.

#goldenrule

Once a SOF Lt said:

Everyone has the right to make an opinion...but thruth is that not all opinions weight the same. You are not gonna take financial advise from someone that is broke.

Guys, when will you all realize that Eric’s opinion is truth.

Nick Goldsmithwrote:

Alex Supertramp had some great adventures. he  got by on less and experienced more that most folks ever will. he fcked up in the end  and died but he was a hell of an interesting and capable person.  Reading that book inspired me to quit my job and take a much needed mental break/road trip.  living frugally and minimalistic while sleeping in the dirt is good for the soul.

What? No sprinter van or did you sprinkle dirt in the bed?

That was an interesting life that kid had and certainly a story worth telling. I think almost everyone hopes there is a story to be told about their life after they depart, whether they died young or old. I personally don't want my story to be " he got up, went to work most days and retired with a broken down body, the end."

Back in those days I traveled in a beat up Honda civic. Pitched a tent if I planned on being in one spot for an extended stay but usually just put a tarp on the ground. If it was going to rain I duct taped my tarp to the roof of the Honda , stretched it out and weighted it with rocks. Instant lean too. I earned my right to travel in a sprinter these days ;)

Nick Goldsmithwrote:

Back in those days I traveled in a beat up Honda civic. Pitched a tent if I planned on being in one spot for an extended stay but usually just put a tarp on the ground. If it was going to rain I duct taped my tarp to the roof of the Honda , stretched it out and weighted it with rocks. Instant lean too. I earned my right to travel in a sprinter these days ;)

I lived out of a beater late 80s Civic wagon for a few months a long long time ago when my gf booted me in New Mexico. That's when I made it to the Wasatch and learned to climb.

89 civic hatchback. 

Eric Marxwrote:

@Bill, because it wasn’t the truth.

Mr. Rogers, you don’t have to like the way the truth is presented in order for it to still be the truth. Whether you like something or not has no bearing on the truth of it at all.

You can enjoy this documentary all you want. There are many ways of telling emotive stories, that doesn’t mean we should do all of them. If I kidnapped a puppy and made a film about torturing it, that would be very emotive, but it would also objectively be a terrible film, even if it did really well in a tight circle of people who like abusing animals. 

Marc Andre was on a crash course with no guidance and the producers were more concerned with desperately trying to get him on film doing something dangerous than with his obviously ailing mental health. His mother also didn’t seem to care. There’s nothing romantic about dying young in the mountains.

Eric Marx is the kind of family values guy who’s kids cut off all contact the moment they move out and he then blames them for being a controlling unbearable asshole.

dude, you didn’t know MA, he was not depressed, he was not suicidal.

In the time I knew him he was thoughtful, calculating, and I came away from every interaction I had buzzing because he was such a positive guy. I remember him asking me a question and I hesitated because I wasn’t sure if I should answer bluntly, and he saw that and said something along the lines of “I don’t care if you’re blunt, I’m confident in how I feel and I don’t need your validation.”

He wouldn’t give a shit about your judgmental (and factually incorrect) take.