The entitlement is real

Just saw this comment from Alabama Hills, don’t know why, but I couldn’t abide.

“Based on the description, we wasted an hour trying to find this route, before giving up in frustration (and trampling desert plants in the process). Why are there no GPS coordinates for these routes? In 2024, that should not be very difficult. Very disappointed in the Mountain Project app.”

OP, You really shouldn’t be throwing shade on blind people trying to go climb.

John Clarkwrote:

OP, You really shouldn’t be throwing shade on blind people trying to go climb.

It’s all right, they’ll never see this.

Sep Mwrote:

It’s all right, they’ll never see this.

But they might read it 

The worst part is they were looking for a specific 5.7 climb. On their way to find this 1 ‘very important climb’ they passed literally dozens of 5.7’s they could have gotten on. Spending an hour wandering around without climbing in  Alabama Hills is a very interesting choice. 

Sounds like newer climbers who don't understand that it's crowdsourced info. Eh, don't be too hard on the ignorant, inexperienced gumbies. 

Shows you how good Mountain Project really is.
One day- just for giggles- I opened up MP at the base of “The Manure pile” once…. I was totally lost. Only a few routes are listed.
People need to buy guidebooks 

Guy Keeseewrote:

Shows you how good Mountain Project really is.
One day- just for giggles- I opened up MP at the base of “The Manure pile” once…. I was totally lost. Only a few routes are listed.
People need to buy guidebooks 

Guidebooks > MP 90% of the time… but man when they’re bad, they’re BAD

Jared Ewrote:

Guidebooks > MP 90% of the time… but man when they’re bad, they’re BAD

for me 100% of my most local routes are on mountain project and i even have more information on mountain project then on my local guide books.

Jon Hartmannwrote:

The worst part I they were looking for a specific 5.7 climb. On their way to find this 1 ‘very important climb’ they passed literally dozens of 5.7’s they could have gotten on. Spending an hour wandering around without climbing in  Alabama Hills is a very interesting choice. 

I’ve noticed this phenomenon with guidebooks too. Lover’s Leap, CA, for instance, suffers (depending on your perspective) what I call the Supertopo guide effect where everybody funnels to about 5 climbs while passing the base of many a climb that is almost as good as the climb they are looking for except there isn’t a line of three parties waiting to hop into rush hour traffic conditions.

Colonel Mustardwrote:

I’ve noticed this phenomenon with guidebooks too. Lover’s Leap, CA, for instance, suffers (depending on your perspective) what I call the Supertopo guide effect where everybody funnels to about 5 climbs while passing the base of many a climb that is almost as good as the climb they are looking for except there isn’t a line of three parties waiting to hop into rush hour traffic conditions.

Perhaps that was the goal though. Save climbs cyclically with each guidebook edition

(Apologies for memes in the text thread)

This thread is full of gate-keeping! 

Sounds like Colorado...

I'm still embarrassed at how long I thought the Alabama Hills were in Alabama.

Jack Kellywrote:

I'm still embarrassed at how long I thought the Alabama Hills were in Alabama.

Poor lil bunnies, they were amazed by a maze. Learning orientation at any new area is always interesting. Many people have no map skills at all, none, zero. Also, finding specific boulders at A-hills IS challenging, imo. But route finding skills include, FINDING THE ROUTE!   

Long live the confusion. Gate out the Gumbs! Encourage barriers to entry. Make climbing elite again.

Worse, the Alabama Hills are named after the Confederate warship Alabama, sunk by USS Kearsarge in 1864. Where's the censors?

They even imply that their "trampling of desert plants" during their routeless quest was not their fault, but MP's fault. Whatever helps you sleep at night.

Cherokee Nuneswrote:

Worse, the Alabama Hills are named after the Confederate warship Alabama, aunk by UAA Kearsarge in 1864. Where's the censors?

Kearsarge already did the censoring!!!!

bryanswrote:

They even imply that their "trampling of desert plants" during their routeless quest was not their fault, but MP's fault. Whatever helps you sleep at night.

I did get a laugh out of this… like did you try not stepping on them?