Oak Creek Canyon Vandalism?

b kwrote:

There are white painted dots all the way up Girl Scout Trail that continue past Guardian pass, into the loop proper, around Ethics Wall is where they fizzle out. 

Please report them through the above mentioned channel. Last season we used a graffiti thread much like the bad bolt thread. Maybe it makes sense to sticky the graffiti thread as well to make it easy to report things here?

Thomas Gilmorewrote:

 we removed approximately 50-75 spray paint dots that began right before solar slab 

How did you remove them?
Have you painted them over with tan paint?

They use biodegradable graffiti removal products, various brushes, elbow grease, and water. Its not a fast process.

Desert Rock Sportswrote:

They use biodegradable graffiti removal products, various brushes, elbow grease, and water. Its not a fast process.

What is an outcome of this process?
Is this an ugly whitish spot on a tan rock?
Can you share a photo?

Its like smudging off the color of the paint until very little of it is left, but you can generally tell what color paint it was originally.

The pores of the rock make it nearly impossible to remove it all without impractical means for the location like a generator, large water capacity, and a pressure washer... which would probably also damage the sandstone itself.

I don't have pics handy. @ladylockoff or @southernnevadaclimbers probably have some you can dig up.

Edit: Yury, worth mentioning that spray paint does not disappear off our sandstone quickly without human intervention. Boulders in a wash, maybe faster by virtue of being rolled over eventually, but many of the trails out of washes those boulders have been there several hundred years or much much longer. The paint isn't chalk, it gets into the pores and seals, being oil and not water soluble rain has almost no effect on it... and that's the oil of it, the pigments themselves are insoluble in both oil and water, and they are just suspended in the paint. You need surfactant and elbow grease to remove them.

There are newly-painted blue arrows and splotches from wash below First Pullout parking lot into Cactus Massacre crag. (It may continue past that but we didn't go further. )  I emailed photos to Friends of Red Rock

Sherri Lewiswrote:

There are newly-painted blue arrows and splotches from wash below First Pullout parking lot into Cactus Massacre crag. (It may continue past that but we didn't go further. )  I emailed photos to Friends of Red Rock

The first pullout is such a madhouse it's hard to believe this was done without anyone else noticing. I'm still thinking it's people who think they're going on their own little adventure, questing, and "mapping out" the wild, and think they're uniquely discovering some new solution to the maze. 

I think if there were some scary signs at each pullout saying "$2000 FINE FOR USING GRAFITTI AND ANY OTHER VANDALISM, REPORT TO 555-1234, RED ROCKS HELL'S ANGELS" or something like that. This would serve to inform those who think the park is some untouched wilderness, and allow bystanders to report it.

 That sign should say $100,000 fine and $5,000 reward for tips leading to the vandals being caught.

(Vandalism of public lands and natural resources is illegal under federal law, and the potential penalties for someone who is convicted of class A misdemeanor vandalism include a fine of up to $100,000, or up to one year in jail.)

REPORT GRAFFITI TO preserve@friendsredrock.org

Anti-Graffiti Program Terms and Conditions

1. The tip must come through the Friends of Red Rock Canyon Anti-Graffiti program by phone, email or text message and must lead to the arrest and conviction in a misdemeanor or felony crime of graffiti within Red Rock Canyon National Conservation Area.
2. The determination regarding the classification of misdemeanor or felony crimes will be based on the actual charge filed against the individual(s) based on the jurisdiction in which the charges are filed. Classification of misdemeanor or felony warrants is based on the actual warrant for arrest issued by the originating agency.
3. The Friends of Red Rock Canyon Board may determine to pay a reward on specific misdemeanor crimes under unique circumstances and where the best interest of Anti-Graffiti program may be served.
4. Rewards of up to $5,000 are paid for information leading to the arrest and conviction in misdemeanor or felony graffiti related crimes. The Board of Directors of the Friends of Red Rock Canyon determines the actual amount of the reward for each incident.
5. All decisions of the Friends of Red Rock Canyon Board of Directors are final.
6. A limit of one reward will be paid per incident, regardless of the number of suspects identified or informants who provide the information.
7. Rewards to informants under the age of 18 will be made to their parent or guardian.
8. In the event more than one person provides information on the same crime or incident, the Bureau of Land Management assigned team member and the Friends of Red Rock Canyon Board of Directors will make the determination as to which individual is entitled to the Anti-Graffiti reward, based on who provided the information first and/or based on the relative importance of the informants’ information.
9. The reward may be divided among two or more callers at the discretion of the Board.
10. The Friends of Red Rock Canyon will be under no obligation to pay any reward if it is shown that the identity and/or location of the suspect(s) was known to the public, the news media or law enforcement prior to the receipt of the information to the Friends of Red Rock Canyon.
11. Monies awarded by the Board and not called for or collected by the caller within 90 days will be placed back in the reward fund and used for future rewards.

Thomas Gilmorewrote:

 That sign should say $100,000 fine and $5,000 reward for tips leading to the vandals being caught.

(Vandalism of public lands and natural resources is illegal under federal law, and the potential penalties for someone who is convicted of class A misdemeanor vandalism include a fine of up to $100,000, or up to one year in jail.)

REPORT GRAFFITI TO preserve@friendsredrock.org

Anti-Graffiti Program Terms and Conditions

1. The tip must come through the Friends of Red Rock Canyon Anti-Graffiti program by phone, email or text message and must lead to the arrest and conviction in a misdemeanor or felony crime of graffiti within Red Rock Canyon National Conservation Area.
2. The determination regarding the classification of misdemeanor or felony crimes will be based on the actual charge filed against the individual(s) based on the jurisdiction in which the charges are filed. Classification of misdemeanor or felony warrants is based on the actual warrant for arrest issued by the originating agency.
3. The Friends of Red Rock Canyon Board may determine to pay a reward on specific misdemeanor crimes under unique circumstances and where the best interest of Anti-Graffiti program may be served.
4. Rewards of up to $5,000 are paid for information leading to the arrest and conviction in misdemeanor or felony graffiti related crimes. The Board of Directors of the Friends of Red Rock Canyon determines the actual amount of the reward for each incident.
5. All decisions of the Friends of Red Rock Canyon Board of Directors are final.
6. A limit of one reward will be paid per incident, regardless of the number of suspects identified or informants who provide the information.
7. Rewards to informants under the age of 18 will be made to their parent or guardian.
8. In the event more than one person provides information on the same crime or incident, the Bureau of Land Management assigned team member and the Friends of Red Rock Canyon Board of Directors will make the determination as to which individual is entitled to the Anti-Graffiti reward, based on who provided the information first and/or based on the relative importance of the informants’ information.
9. The reward may be divided among two or more callers at the discretion of the Board.
10. The Friends of Red Rock Canyon will be under no obligation to pay any reward if it is shown that the identity and/or location of the suspect(s) was known to the public, the news media or law enforcement prior to the receipt of the information to the Friends of Red Rock Canyon.
11. Monies awarded by the Board and not called for or collected by the caller within 90 days will be placed back in the reward fund and used for future rewards.

Is this legitimately enforceable/payout-able, or more for the “don’t spray paint my f*%#£*^ rocks or you’re going to get fined to the moon and back” without actually any backup? Also one of the more effective signs I’ve ever seen was simply a  standard “no foot traffic after dusk” sign, right next to a cardboard silhouette target that I think had the chest area blasted out with what looked like buckshot, along with several shot shells on top of the original sign. Of course I’m absolutely not advocating for anybody to get shot over something as ridiculous as this. I’m just saying that sometimes a very scary deterrent can be simple and effective without legal mumbo jumbo. 

Climbing Weaselwrote:

Of course I’m absolutely advocating for anybody to get shot over something as significant as this.

I fixed it for you.

Climbing Weaselwrote:

Is this legitimately enforceable/payout-able, or more for the “don’t spray paint my f*%#£*^ rocks or you’re going to get fined to the moon and back” without actually any backup? Also one of the more effective signs I’ve ever seen was simply a  standard “no foot traffic after dusk” sign, right next to a cardboard silhouette target that I think had the chest area blasted out with what looked like buckshot, along with several shot shells on top of the original sign. Of course I’m absolutely not advocating for anybody to get shot over something as ridiculous as this. I’m just saying that sometimes a very scary deterrent can be simple and effective without legal mumbo jumbo. 

Um, satire.

Found some markings approaching Mescalito a couple weeks ago.  I followed an arrow out of curiosity and it took me on a total bushwhacking quest to nowhere.  I feel like these spray painters are also trolling

Leon Wrightwrote:

Found some markings approaching Mescalito a couple weeks ago.  I followed an arrow out of curiosity and it took me on a total bushwhacking quest to nowhere.  I feel like these spray painters are also trolling

No, I think they are just legitimately idiots.