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New and Experienced Climbers Over 50 #28
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How bout that Israyall stuff? |
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If Russ wants to tell the mods to pound sand he will. its his gig. |
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Russ being banned from MP is the most predictable event since the last time the sun rose. I’m sure he’s great value in real life and I’d enjoy his company immensely but an online forum moderated on behalf of a corporation aiming to make a profit is not remotely the same as a bar in 29 Palms. Anyone with half a brain knows this and Russ has considerably more than half a brain. For him it's been a game of seeing how hard you need to poke the bear to rile it. I’d be astonished if he was surprised. Possibly disappointed it's taken this long. Most likely viewed as a badge of honour. More generally, comments to the effect that “you can’t say anything nowadays” are whining crap. If you’re a libertarian you’ve never had it so good. There are numerous places you can say more-or-less whatever you want: X/Twitter, Truth Social, or any number of WhatsApp or Telegraph groups will be very happy to publish your highly original thoughts to a vast audience. What people actually mean is “you can't say some things in some places.” Show me a time and a place when this wasn't true. Likewise, “you can't say anything without offending someone”. Amazingly, most people here and in life in general seem to manage this perfectly easily, because they are grown-ups not man-children. That’s my quasi-political post for 2024, back to climbing. |
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Thank you Duncan. |
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I completely disagree with Duncan and Nick. You actually can't say shit almost anywhere without offending some idiot. If you honestly feel like Duncan then you obviously either aren't paying attention or are butthurt already. Or are trying really hard to fit in with the new newness. |
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Jan you can say whatever you want. its a free country unless you are trying to camp in your sprinter but that's another story. . My neighbor flies a FCK your Feelings flag in his front yard. I do suspect that the decline of manners in this country is directly related to social media and keyboard warriors being able to run their trap without fear of getting a knuckle sammich. read up on the hamilton and Burr duel for a bit of insight as to what happened when you ran your mouth BINTD. there have always been consequences for poor manners. these days in upper class culture you most often get ostracized for running your mouth rather than sliced with a sword or shot to death. in the hood they shoot you |
Jan Mcwrote: For what it’s worth, the applicable term for the younger generations, who have somehow determined that words can physically harm them, is TRIGGERED. |
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Triggered is when you threaten violence because you don't agree with what someone said. |
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Phenomena like cancel culture and political correctness were and continue to be instruments of the American Left. It has been going on for years now . Anyone who denies this has been living inside a bubble -- a bubble designed to reflect social and political realities of a bygone era. These attempts to censor and enforce an unwritten code of behavior, thought ,and language have been pretty damn obvious, as I've said, for years now. It's been right in front of your ducking face. The main bad actor not long ago was the high tech industry who de-platformed anyone running afoul of their ideological diktat. Thousands of individuals , businesses and organizations were adversely affected if they did not toe--the- line. This is what eventually led to Musk's acquisition of Twitter and the creation of numerous other alternative platforms mentioned earlier. The overriding question is of course : why? Why this brazen attempt to intimidate others into accepting a preordained way of thinking and speaking-- or else. The answers are multifactorial and way beyond my tired self to spell out at this time. Suffice to say that it has a lot to do with power and domination and not the good intentions it comes disguised in. |
Donald Thompsonwrote: I wa hoping to follow rgold's advice from earlier, but.... So, David, no one in the right ever 'cancelled' anyone? Historically, the right (and, I agree, certain elements of the left) have tended to cancel people---not infrequently large groups of people, quite permanently. |
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So now you are accusing Russ of being an overt racist Todd? Really? On what grounds? |
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I'd like to talk for a minute about cancel culture within the Right and within the Republican Party. I think most (if not all) of us would agree that the 2020 election was not stolen. I also think that all the Republican members of Congress and the Republican Party leadership know that and are lying through their teeth to their constituents. Yet any Republican who is honest enough to say that Biden won the election is cancelled on the spot. But even if we assume that members of the Republican leadership actually believe that the election was stolen -- which I think is quite a stretch -- is that grounds to cancel any R who disagrees? So that's my two cents worth on cancel culture, |
Alan Rubinwrote: Clearly this is an affirmation of Godwin 's Law. But seriously, anyone who nurtures this grotesque fallacy that American Conservatives, who love this country and its Constitution ,are the same as genocidal Nazis -- really needs to sit down with a good series of history books, for starters I would commence with Hannah Arendts " The Origins Of Totalitarianism" This nomenclature of left vs. right needs to be understood and reexamined. It is a perfect example of the winners of any given war normally being the ones who get to write the history. In the case of WW2 the Soviets were one of the winners so therefore they immediately set about associating Nazism with western democracies. This was picked-up and amplified by post-war academics and intellectuals in Europe and the US. From that point forward conservatives in the West became Nazis and Fascists by default. Really, really stupid, and a complete lie. |
tom donnellywrote: That’s like when the wife says ‘Do I look good in this?’ There’s no right answer. |
FrankPSwrote: Just watched “Outlaw King” and some of the dialogue of the English referred to Scottish as “those people”. Race and gender are embedded in many of the laws within the USA though those references have mostly been amended or abolished. Even with that, there’s still bias, and that’s what the left is still fighting to change. But I agree that extremes on both sides aren’t helping. |
Carl Schneiderwrote: Sure there is, Carl: ‘And then she’ll ask me, do I look alright? And I’ll say yes, you look wonderful tonight’. Clapton’s gone slightly off the rails in recent years (along with Van Morrison) but are we still allowed to love their music? |
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Sometimes if one listens carefully to dissenting opinion, understanding and learning can result. Not agreement, but understanding. |
Idaho Bobwrote: In some cases, even agreement. The original intention of having a Congress was to model Parliament and discuss things rationally and understanding different and sometimes opposing views. Even MP are reasonably qualified for their positions. Whereas, literally anyone can run for Congress, and very few are qualified to discuss issues in a meaningful manner. In fact, they don’t discuss. They attempt to “align” and flock into groups with very extreme views. This flocking simply makes it even more difficult for differing sides to align in the end. Through the election process, people are convinced they are being represented well, whilst the reality is they’ve got bickering idiots who’d rather let their own government shut down rather than make well thought out concessions to help the people of this country. |
Donald Thompsonwrote: I am very familiar with Dr. Arendt's work, that's why I am so opposed to the extremists of both, what we commonly refer to as, the left and right--and certain 'undirectional' ones as well---and also those who enable them by saying that all the fault lies with the other 'side', while ignoring or glossing over the threat posed by those they support. |
Colden Darkwrote: Well, since Clapton was writing about Pattie Boyd, I’m pretty sure she looked wonderful that night.  —— I’ve been trying to figure out how to get through this upcoming election cycle without being pulled down with anger and frustration, and the only thing I can come up with is to be kind, to be curious, and to keep in mind what’s most important – – friendship, love. I’ve written about my best friend Mallory before. We met in high school, I was 15, sitting in French class and on LSD… My first trip. Mal saw my dilated eyes and decided to chaperone me the rest of the day. So that was 55 years ago and here we are. She went off to USC and later taught in inner city schools. She was a committed liberal. She never married or had kids, but went on to get more teaching degrees. I was busy having children. After Mal retired she moved to the high desert with her brother. It’s a scrappy little town and he was an alcoholic. When I would come visit, she would roll her eyes and say “I can’t get away from Fox News.“ Her brother had a TV in every room. But a few years later , I drove down for a visit and she tearfully said “I cannot vote for Hillary. Her emails…” and I thought it was a joke. It wasn’t. I just wanna know what happened. I do know she got cancer and had a lot of internal organs removed. I do know that the local Mormon church was the only one to show up at her door with kindness and casseroles and she joined that church. I do know that when her brother punched holes in walls and staggered around drunk, she was totally alone and helpless. I do know that the community itself is hard Right and poor and not all that concerned with high fallutin’ big city ideals. My friend is alone, without family, sick and very aware that she won’t live long. So it’s real presumptuous of me to expect her to care about what I care about. She asked me if I am “a patriot“. We have to put love first. I have no other answers. |
