SOLD: Black Diamond Ultralight Camelots sizes .5 + .75 + 1 + 4

Single set of Ultralight Camelots, mostly 2015 tags

All 4 for $150 shipped CONUS

Remaining Individual prices as follows (plus shipping)

.5 - $45

.75 - $45

1 - $45

4 - $45

Price drop to $850 on the set.  Open to offers.

Price drop to $800 on the set, reduced single prices as well.  Open to offers.

Price drop on the set to $750. 

Arthurwrote:

Price drop on the set to $750. 

You realize these are supposed to be retired in 2 years right?

C Dyer wrote:

Seriously? No. They should be re-slung sometime around then, but absolutely no need to retire. OP is asking a fair price for cams that appear to be in good shape. Your jab at the seller is both rude and ignorant. 

That’s true for steel core cams, but these are ultralights, there’s controversy in when the internal dyneema should be retired. The slings can be replaced, the dyneema core can’t. Your jab at the responder is both rude and ignorant.

If y’all are interested in the recommendations for retirement and reslinging, here is the manual from the manufacture.
https://www.lostarrow.co.jp/blackdiamond/support/manual/OM_BD_Camalot_C4_UL.pdf

Ultralights are so much fun! Best of luck Arthur!

Darren Blockwrote:

If y’all are interested in the recommendations for retirement and reslinging, here is the manual from the manufacture.
https://www.lostarrow.co.jp/blackdiamond/support/manual/OM_BD_Camalot_C4_UL.pdf

Ultralights are so much fun! Best of luck Arthur!

I’ve read about this wondering when to replace my BD ultralight’s - sounds like initially they were 5 years then maybe 10 years before replacement per BD  it’s because they use dyneema for the stem loop instead of metal cable on the non-ultralight  here is a good thread on it…

https://www.mountainproject.com/forum/topic/124342397/camalot-ultralight-lifespan-question

also, free bump for good discussion

Those tags are useless imo. I just bought some from a well known retailer that were labeled 2019. 

Chris Cwrote:

Those tags are useless imo. I just bought some from a well known retailer that were labeled 2019. 

It all just depends on how old their stock is. But according to the manufacturer even shelf time is considered in the 10 year maximum lifespan. I think BD is being super conservative when they give the 10 year no use expiry for the slings and UL stems, but they have to draw the line somewhere.

All,  thanks for the great discussion.  I think the 10 year mark is a valid concern but I don't know that the 10 year date is a hard and fast rule even from BD, based on the tech notice.  The tech notice shows the section dealing with age under a section titled "Examination Required" based on the little eye symbol and key

Key

I have always read that section in its totality as "inspect the soft goods portion of the cams (standard and UL, A and B) under 10 years for damage and function" and the hardware (lobes, rivets, pins, etc.) beyond 10 years.  Mandatory retirement based on age would imply that the hardware part of standard Camelots (noted as A in the diagram) are to be retired once they are beyond 10 years and the entire UL to be retired at less than 10 years, which logically would not make sense as the lower bound on the first drawing is not noted and there is no upper bound on the third drawing; implying ANY softgood part of the cam (either UL or standard) would be retired at ANY time before 10 years and ANY hardware part of a standard Camelot would be retired after 10 years.  That can't follow logically, so I have always read that section to be a form and function inspection based on those time parameters, rather than a mandatory retirement.

That being said, this is a VERY personal decision for anyone since we know in climbing we all have a pretty vast spectrum in our own risk tolerance.  So if anyone wants them, great, if not no problem either and I'll keep climbing on them until something better comes along or they fail a form/function test that makes me uncomfortable.

Thanks again everyone, there's always a lot of great information and discussion here.  I didn't intend a sale post to be an addendum to the UL Camelot age thread, but I'm not upset it did!

Price drop to $650 for the set.  Drop on individual units too.

Single set sold to Kevin.  Remaining set available or individuals.

Robb Thurmondwrote:

That’s true for steel core cams, but these are ultralights, there’s controversy in when the internal dyneema should be retired. The slings can be replaced, the dyneema core can’t. Your jab at the responder is both rude and ignorant.

Not as rude as shiting on someone else’s sale thread. People should either buy or move on. 

4 remaining units.  Gabriella got the .4, 2, and 3.

Thanks

Price drop.

Thanks 

Hey I’m interested 

this thread is hilarious. At that price, I'd whip on these for another ten years.