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The latest, greatest 2:1 hauling kit

Quinn Hatfield · · Los Angeles · Joined Oct 2018 · Points: 0
Finn Lanvers wrote:

I have to ask what exactly those are for?

If you’re a good Hudon Disciple you’ll climb with “Hudon Anchor Kits” (pictured above) and tie your anchors with the rope.. you’ll then “dock” your Haul Bags vía each Bags personal docking cord (Skots Wall Gear) on the end of the DogBones… 


the Cock-Dockers is what happens when 2 weirdos can’t just let a joke be a joke and actually have to get it custom made for their next wall… 
Andy Wiesner · · New Paltz, NY · Joined Sep 2016 · Points: 35
Finn Lanvers wrote:

I have to ask what exactly those are for?

That's a pair of Hudon-style wall anchor kits, upgraded with cock rings and sewn slings in lieu of the docking quickdraws. Slick. 

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Climbing Weasel · · Massachusetts · Joined May 2022 · Points: 0

Anybody use the grivel vlad for this?

Desert Rock Sports · · Las Vegas, NV · Joined Aug 2019 · Points: 2
Quinn Hatfield wrote:

Did somebody say Cock Dockers?   

Am I the only one seeing that you are pulling against the stitching when loading the carabiners, in such a way that it would rip it?

Skot Richards · · Lakewood, CA · Joined May 2020 · Points: 0

Cock a Dooooooodle Doooooooo

Ah Quinn…..   I’m ashamed I succumbed to you degeneracy!!! 

Brian R · · San Luis Obispo, CA · Joined Sep 2021 · Points: 1
Quinn Hatfield wrote:


the Cock-Dockers is what happens when 2 weirdos can’t just let a joke be a joke and actually have to get it custom made for their next wall… 

How big are those rings that you’re using compared to a Petzl (Cock)Ring Open?  
Also did you happen to weigh them?  It would be cool if they happen to save some weight over the lockers that they replaced.

Mark Hudon · · Reno, NV · Joined Jul 2009 · Points: 420

Quinn’s idea is more novel than useful. Sure, you can do it that way but you’ll have to thread the whole of your docking cord through the ring rather than opening a gate.
Let’s say that the rings weigh one ounce and the biners, two ounces. Using a common biner there (there is absolutely NO need to use a locker there) would save you maybe 1.5 ounces. BFD!


On a wall, eventually, you’re gonna end up with your partner’s anchor kit. Quinn’s kit would last 10 seconds with me. 

Quinn Hatfield · · Los Angeles · Joined Oct 2018 · Points: 0

All I heard was me and Mark are climbing El Cap 


  

Skot Richards · · Lakewood, CA · Joined May 2020 · Points: 0

Mark and Quinn for the ElCap Winn!!!!

Ben Podborski · · Canadian Rockies · Joined Jul 2018 · Points: 15

hello everyone 

I did a little recreational hauling last month with my 2:1 Cric set up, and it went well! Easy to switch to a 1:1 with the same item also.

Does anyone else have any use and reviews?

edit: I have it on the down-strand as a tractor/pulley to replace the Basic. 

Skot Richards · · Lakewood, CA · Joined May 2020 · Points: 0
Ben Podborski wrote:

hello everyone 

I did a little recreational hauling last month with my 2:1 Cric set up, and it went well! Easy to switch to a 1;1 with the same item also.

Does anyone else have any use and reviews?

I am waiting on my CRIC to be delivered.  I will be using it to replace the bottom pulley, biner and basic in my haul kit.  

Quinn Hatfield · · Los Angeles · Joined Oct 2018 · Points: 0

26 pages of telling people “don’t change the kit” and now we’re changing the Kit 

Skot Richards · · Lakewood, CA · Joined May 2020 · Points: 0
Quinn Hatfield wrote:

26 pages of telling people “don’t change the kit” and now we’re changing the Kit 

It’s been 5 years since a new piece of gear ‘MIGHT’ improve the ‘ultimate 2:1’.  

Malcolm Jarvis · · Vancouver Island, BC, CA · Joined Mar 2022 · Points: 290

I'm interested to hear the results of your testing with the cric, Skot. Weight wise its about the same as basic + partner + carabiner. (Or the cric is heavier if you swap out the biner for a bit of cord)

The biggest advantages I'd see are the distance from pulley to grab, which means you've got less distance to reach for resetting, which could result in some efficiency gain in the movement, and just less faff from pieces flopping around during setup.

One tiny downside is a bit of a drop risk in that rigging it on and off the rope opens the pulley connection as well. But it seems one doesn't have to open the plate all the way so it shouldn't be too bad. 

I haven't seen any specs regarding the pulley efficiency on the Cric. Do we know how it compares to the 91% efficiency on the partner?

Skot Richards · · Lakewood, CA · Joined May 2020 · Points: 0


The CRIC is much shorter than the pulley, biner & basic combo.
im not too worried about the efficiency of the pulley. It’s a sealed cartridge bearing so its high quality.  The most important pulley is the top pulley so even if the pulley is less ‘efficient’ than the top pulley it’s not a concern of mine.  I’ve done a tiny amount of trying it out in the shop but as we all know the real test will be in the spring on the captain.  No amount of garage / backyard hauling provides the same feedback as actual wall hauling.  The CRIC seems very well made, the fit and finish of it is nice.  Minor consideration regarding the drop potential given it needs to be opened up to insert the haul line, but only time will tell.  
Skot Richards · · Lakewood, CA · Joined May 2020 · Points: 0

Bump on this thread.  
2024’s first batch of A4’s is done and ready to go.
I have tried to reach out to everyone who asked to be notified, I’m adding a post here to try and cover all the bases.

Skotswallgear.Com 

cheers.  

adarsh m · · PNW · Joined Jul 2021 · Points: 18

Hi all! I read through the thread and didn't see a lot of people using other swivel pulleys on their system. I saw Petzl makes one called the Spin (S1 and L1). Does anyone have any experience using one of these instead of a CMC or RockExotica one? I've got a Petzl ProDeal so this would be significantly more cost efficient.

Andy Wiesner · · New Paltz, NY · Joined Sep 2016 · Points: 35
Kevin DeWeese wrote:

145g vs 290g otherwise it's fine 

The small one (S1, not L1) is 145g. Seems like Petzl just copied the omni block.

Skot Richards · · Lakewood, CA · Joined May 2020 · Points: 0
Kevin DeWeese wrote:

145g vs 290g otherwise it's fine 

Yea but….   The cmc doesn’t declare the efficiency so….

Eric Gunderson · · Sunnyvale, CA · Joined Oct 2020 · Points: 0

alright, my first post here. be gentle. I'm learning and i'm late to the party. 

Is there a reason to have the petzl basic ascender on this system if i already have a jumar on my person for jugging?  is this for efficiency and not needing to move it over?

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