Some climbers and their kids

Michael Hall wrote:

My youngest at Point Dume in Malibu.

My oldest at Indian Cove in J-Tree.

Indian cove? isnt that on the backside of the valley, like trecking to get to rice cake roof, x-rated tits and killer Cracks?

Not how I thought this post was going to go, my youngest shredder born premature with a brain bleed and motor difficulties mock leading at the gym and shredding a 5.5 at Castlewood canyon. 

Not my kids, but we did their first roped-up summit, up an easy via ferrata. Ravna Gora, Croatia.

Charles Price wrote:

Indian cove? isnt that on the backside of the valley, like trecking to get to rice cake roof, x-rated tits and killer Cracks?

The route we were on was Who's First on Pixie Rock in Indian Cove Campground. Not familiar with the routes you mentioned. 

This is actually climbing related:

11 year old Ryan leading a 10d. Now the family rope gun! lol

My 3 year old's first crack climb. Her climbing behavior seems to be inherited from her mama: gets really scared and whines and screams to come down, but once on the ground, keeps asking to go back and try it again. 

^Awesome!

(Been climbing 35 years and I STILL have that very same behavior) 

The pictures in this thread of the kids climbing are cute.  But the normalization of toddlers being brought to crags is awful. It isn't a safe environment for them and nobody wants to deal with your crying baby that can't properly express themselves yet. Becoming a parent. especially of ones who can't walk or talk, requires major lifestyle changes.  Forcing others to deal with an infant when they're trying to have adult fun is not cool. My friend group constantly talks about how annoying it is these famous climbers posting their pack n plays at the base of rock climbs after giving birth.

Joe C did not make transformational memories in nature as a child with his family.

ryan climbs sometimes wrote:

Get over it or post a picture of your kids having fun. Thanks 

No thanks, this is a public forum and having a different opinion is allowed. Funny how you ignore the point of the comment about toddlers 

Joe C wrote:

The pictures in this thread of the kids climbing are cute.  But the normalization of toddlers being brought to crags is awful. It isn't a safe environment for them and nobody wants to deal with your crying baby that can't properly express themselves yet. Becoming a parent. especially of ones who can't walk or talk, requires major lifestyle changes.  Forcing others to deal with an infant when they're trying to have adult fun is not cool. My friend group constantly talks about how annoying it is these famous climbers posting their pack n plays at the base of rock climbs after giving birth.

It is so annoying that these little people grow up at the base of a crag and then all of a sudden before you know it they are full blown adults complaining about kids on their lawn. It our job as a civilization to "deal with" other people's crying babies, that way when they run into a 34 year old man child they have the emotional skillset necessary to tell them to sh** in someone else's wheaties.

Joe C wrote:

No thanks, this is a public forum and having a different opinion is allowed. Funny how you ignore the point of the comment about toddlers 

I'm totally fine with you having any opinion whatever. I'm also quite comfortable having my own opinion, ignoring your viewpoint, and doing as I please.

TLDR? Your opinion on raising kids is only that. Your opinion.

For the record?

I MET Ryan Climbs and his family, and their friends and family. All 4 parents did an oustanding job with their families, in some of the most sucked weather conditions I've ever encountered at City of Rocks. Truly heroic!

Fwiw?

I had my infant son on a rooftop with me, and all kinds of other places, when he was little. I was self employed, and he got to be with me almost 24/7. 

He survived and turned out pretty good.

I'm 66, and everyone my age was pretty much ENTIRELY feral as a kid. The world isn't safe, and never will be.

But so what????

For almost all of human history, kids have been side by side with parents, siblings, family, extended family, that proverbial village.....

@Ryan, wow, a brief bit of sunshine and blue sky! Good reason to dance on top of that rock!

Best, Helen

Joe C wrote:

The pictures in this thread of the kids climbing are cute.  But the normalization of toddlers being brought to crags is awful. It isn't a safe environment for them and nobody wants to deal with your crying baby that can't properly express themselves yet. Becoming a parent. especially of ones who can't walk or talk, requires major lifestyle changes.  Forcing others to deal with an infant when they're trying to have adult fun is not cool. My friend group constantly talks about how annoying it is these famous climbers posting their pack n plays at the base of rock climbs after giving birth.

Your wife called, she said she’s ovulating and to hurry home.

Screenshot of the video of me belaying my 9yr old son on an outdoor lead for the first time.  (I was not videoing and belaying) 

He wants to start mock-leading with gear next.. 

Sam Adventure 

Joe C wrote:

The pictures in this thread of the kids climbing are cute.  But the normalization of toddlers being brought to crags is awful. It isn't a safe environment for them and nobody wants to deal with your crying baby that can't properly express themselves yet. Becoming a parent. especially of ones who can't walk or talk, requires major lifestyle changes.  Forcing others to deal with an infant when they're trying to have adult fun is not cool. My friend group constantly talks about how annoying it is these famous climbers posting their pack n plays at the base of rock climbs after giving birth.

If you don't have a child and you're not a professional, are you even qualified to make a call on what is or isn't safe? Pretty sure my toddler can properly express herself. She'd hear this and straight up ask you "What the F*ck?" Normalize parents needing their mental health breaks or you can help find a solution to childcare cause I'm not sure who can afford $20-$25/hr to get a day of climbing in all the time. Maybe try not going to such popular crags and getting farther away. Speakers are more annoying and ill behaved dogs in my opinion. 

Also, exposure for them will hopefully inspire a love when they're older. Maybe your jealous your parents weren't that cool as I'm certain some of these kids are going to be crushers.