DOGS!

Bruno Schullwrote:

In the interest of taking this thread in a new direction, is there anything we can actually do about badly behaved dog owners and dogs at crags?

Well, at some point the issue with dogs at crags is going to start threatening climbing access.  All it would take is a dog bite and a land owner being sued to lose access in some areas.  So maybe the answer is to start pushing for dog bans at more areas before climbing access is threatened.  A lot or crags fall under the management of national, state, or local parks.  I could see more state or local parks treating dogs more like the national parks do, and just not allowing them in many areas.

I get that it's an unpopular thing to do, but the issue seems to just get worse every year.  At some point it will become necessary.  Dog owners are a user group just like any other, and like any other user group, a few bad apples can ruin it for everyone.

Jaren Watson wrote:

Has this ever happened? At any crag, park, trail, forest, community center, Home Depot, etc.?

Its currently happening at airports and with airlines as well as stores where people seem to think socializing their unsociable pit bulls is a good idea. Our local land trust/park was an off leash area until the dog park people found out about it and started abusing the place with 20 dogs at a time, dog shit all over the meadow. Its now leash only.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2023/04/12/home-depot-customer-dog-bite-face/11650907002/

Marc801 Cwrote:

People are setting up hammocks across trails and at the base of crags. THAT’S the problem. 

Agreed. That’s an A-hole move. I pictured the wifey chillin or somebody taking a rest after some burns, but out of everyone’s way. 

Mark Hudonwrote:

 came over and barked and barked and barked at me.

Although I’ve had dogs do some of the other things you mention, I’ve never experienced this.  I wonder what this dogs problem is.  Were you taunting it with bacon?

I used to sport climb, but always struggled with the thought of sport climbing . They were fun, most of it was trying to replicate their environment the best.

Should see the amount of sport climbers out here in Vegas backyards during summer...

Sport climbers are so odd. They're mostly represented by people who tend to hate what humans have done to the world, with total disregard that we enslaved the species and literally practiced genetic manipulations for OUR selfish wants and needs on them.

Now instead of these pro-nature anti-human people letting sport climbers evolve into climbers or be obliterated by nature in general we continue to anthropomorphize them. Humans are interesting!

But I climb rocks for entertainment so what the hells my opinion 

Jaren Watson wrote:

Has this ever happened? At any crag, park, trail, forest, community center, Home Depot, etc.?

Yup.  Know several businesses owners who used to let dogs in their shops but don’t anymore due to people getting bit. 

Jaren Watson wrote:

Do you know any business owners who closed shop because dogs made them realize an entrepreneurial lifestyle wasn’t for them?

I know a few business owners who lost their business due to dogs…but that was at cards.  

Chad Millerwrote:

I used to sport climb, but always struggled with the thought of sport climbing . They were fun, most of it was trying to replicate their environment the best.

Should see the amount of sport climbers out here in Vegas backyards during summer...

Sport climbers are so odd. They're mostly represented by people who tend to hate what humans have done to the world, with total disregard that we enslaved the species and literally practiced genetic manipulations for OUR selfish wants and needs on them.

Now instead of these pro-nature anti-human people letting sport climbers evolve into climbers or be obliterated by nature in general we continue to anthropomorphize them. Humans are interesting!

But I climb rocks for entertainment so what the hells my opinion 

I'm honored, but you're reaching pretty far now lol

Jaren Watson wrote:

Has this ever happened? At any crag, park, trail, forest, community center, Home Depot, etc.?

Has a grigri ever failed?

A harness?

A bolt? 

All it takes is once.

5Seven Kevinwrote:

I'm honored, but you're reaching pretty far now lol

I know I’m reaching but I really wanted to make you feel included.   

Guys, get a room already. 

Marc801 Cwrote:

Guys, get a room already. 

Can I bring my hammock, or my dog?

5Seven Kevinwrote:

Can I bring my hammock, or my dog?

We’re all be disappointed if you didn’t. Bluetooth speaker as well

5Seven Kevinwrote:

But I climb rocks for entertainment so what the hells my opinion 

Shut it down, y’all; we’ve said everything that can be said.

peterfoggwrote:

Shut it down, y’all; we’ve said everything that can be said.

Curmudgeon Donwrote:

Dog doesn't even have a collar, let alone a leash! I guess we're going to have to keep this one alive for at least another ten pages, or for as long as it takes you all to learn, which ever comes first. 

Bump... for more dogs at crags!

Todd Berlier wrote:

you might try netflix or disney + and get off mp.

just a thought.

yeah, i get the irony of making this comment.

That's what you get for trying to think.  Swing and a miss. MP and climbing in general is entertainment.  

Does this mean dog threads have jumped the shark?

Todd Berlier wrote:

lol! my point was there's better entertainment out there than bumping shitty threads going nowhere. but im alsoa hypocrite cause i do the same, just with more subtlety:)

You only think you’re being subtle. We can all see your blatant attempts at thread bumping.