DOGS!

M Mwrote:

I can see Bruno 

That guy is a public school teacher. He's spent so much time in front of actual children preaching his opinions and belief systems to an audience incapable of challenging his gospel that he's developed a god complex at the crag and on the internet, burying his lack of social awareness and inability to consider anyone's opinions and comfort behind a wall of A+ 9th grade level sentence structure, chatGPT worthy syntax and never ending photos of his dog. Don't worry though, he's friendly! 

I'm glad this is thread. If you have a loud barking dog at a crag, fuck you, you're an asshole. Either get a dog that can stay quiet, get a muzzle, or don't bring your dog -- we all hate you, we just don't feel like making the day you made worse even worse by telling you off because it's not actually going to improve anything.

Sometimes it's just really obnoxious. Another time one climber basically took over an entire wall and my partner and I decided to leave because there was a dog loudly barking for several minutes and it seemed it wasn't going to stop.

If you have a well-behaved, quiet dog, thank you for making my day better. I love dogs.

Oh!!!  This is getting fun again!  I am amazed that these threads have so much life in them, and also that I seem to have triggered so many people on both sides of the Atlantic (MP and UKC).  It's just that dog haters are so easy to troll!

@ Maquinna--You are concerned about Luna rinsing her asshole on a cow-watering trough?  Don't worry!  Her asshole is clean. She rinsed it herself with her tongue!  Remember that next time she jumps up for a big playful face lick dog kiss!

@ Kalli--There is one extemely funny thing about your post, which demonstrates your great ignorance, but first, you do have some details wrong.  

I've taught in several schools in several different countries, but only for a short timne at the beginning of my teaching career (25 years ago?) did I teach 9th grade in a public school in the US.  Right now, I teach at a Swiss "Gymnasium" which is sort of like high school except it starts earlier and finishes later.  My youngest students are 13 and my oldest are 20.  So the range is approximately from middle school through the first years of college.  In terms of subjects, I teach biology and geography.  Both classes run for the full seven years so I get to know my students really well.  Often, I have them write letters to themselves when they are 13 and give them back when they are 20.  Good stuff.  

Just to drive you a little crazy, there is much greater didactic freedom in Switzerland, so when I teach subjects like evolution, the origin of life, modern reproductive methods, and race and genetics (biology) or global warming, human deveopment, and economic inequality (geography) there is plenty of room for me to preach my gospel and inculcate my students with my nefarious views.

Which brings me to my real point.  Your profile indicates that you are in your mid-thirties.  I hope you don't have teenage children yet.  However, when you accumulate some more life experience, and perhaps have children of your own, to say nothing of twenty year olds, you will understand how ridiculous it is to think that a room full of young people does anything less than constantly challenge the point of view of authority figures like parents and teachers.  The conversations and debates when they challange me, and each other, are the best part.  That's when the interesting stuff hapens.  

You're right about one thing.  I am friendly!  My classes are really popular and usually overbooked.  

I almost forgot--sometimes I bring Luna to class, especially on test days.  She helps the students relax before exams :)

Did not read the past 5 pages, but I love dogs.  I hate kids at the crag. Cannot tolerate them

Bruno Schullwrote:

@ Maquinna--You are concerned about Luna rinsing her asshole on a cow-watering trough?  Don't worry!  Her asshole is clean. She rinsed it herself with her tongue!  Remember that next time she jumps up for a big playful face lick dog kiss!

Ranchers in many parts of this country would shoot your dog for bathing in the livestock trough. Carry on.

Bruno Schullwrote:

Oh!!!  This is getting fun again!  I am amazed that these threads have so much life in them, and also that I seem to have triggered so many people on both sides of the Atlantic (MP and UKC).  It's just that dog haters are so easy to troll!

@ Maquinna--You are concerned about Luna rinsing her asshole on a cow-watering trough?  Don't worry!  Her asshole is clean. She rinsed it herself with her tongue!  Remember that next time she jumps up for a big playful face lick dog kiss!

@ Kalli--There is one extemely funny thing about your post, which demonstrates your great ignorance, but first, you do have some details wrong.  

I've taught in several schools in several different countries, but only for a short timne at the beginning of my teaching career (25 years ago?) did I teach 9th grade in a public school in the US.  Right now, I teach at a Swiss "Gymnasium" which is sort of like high school except it starts earlier and finishes later.  My youngest students are 13 and my oldest are 20.  So the range is approximately from middle school through the first years of college.  In terms of subjects, I teach biology and geography.  Both classes run for the full seven years so I get to know my students really well.  Often, I have them write letters to themselves when they are 13 and give them back when they are 20.  Good stuff.  

Just to drive you a little crazy, there is much greater didactic freedom in Switzerland, so when I teach subjects like evolution, the origin of life, modern reproductive methods, and race and genetics (biology) or global warming, human deveopment, and economic inequality (geography) there is plenty of room for me to preach my gospel and inculcate my students with my nefarious views.

Which brings me to my real point.  Your profile indicates that you are in your mid-thirties.  I hope you don't have teenage children yet.  However, when you accumulate some more life experience, and perhaps have children of your own, to say nothing of twenty year olds, you will understand how ridiculous it is to think that a room full of young people does anything less than constantly challenge the point of view of authority figures like parents and teachers.  The conversations and debates when they challange me, and each other, are the best part.  That's when the interesting stuff hapens.  

You're right about one thing.  I am friendly!  My classes are really popular and usually overbooked.  

I almost forgot--sometimes I bring Luna to class, especially on test days.  She helps the students relax before exams :)

You don't really need anyone else for a conversation.

Forgot to add picture of Luna patiently tolerating the affection of my daughter and her best friend.  Look at that face!  True dog love. 

Holy cow I don't think ive ever seen a selfish narcissist so content with only talking about THEMSELVES, THEIR dog, THEIR children(8 billion people on the planet, wow teenagers are HARD to raise!) THEIR job, THEIR life.... Bruno sprays about himself harder than a sport climber lol

Bruno Schullwrote:

Oh!!!  This is getting fun again!  I am amazed that these threads have so much life in them, and also that I seem to have triggered so many people on both sides of the Atlantic (MP and UKC).  It's just that dog haters are so easy to troll!

@ Maquinna--You are concerned about Luna rinsing her asshole on a cow-watering trough?  Don't worry!  Her asshole is clean. She rinsed it herself with her tongue!  Remember that next time she jumps up for a big playful face lick dog kiss!

@ Kalli--There is one extemely funny thing about your post, which demonstrates your great ignorance, but first, you do have some details wrong.  

I've taught in several schools in several different countries, but only for a short timne at the beginning of my teaching career (25 years ago?) did I teach 9th grade in a public school in the US.  Right now, I teach at a Swiss "Gymnasium" which is sort of like high school except it starts earlier and finishes later.  My youngest students are 13 and my oldest are 20.  So the range is approximately from middle school through the first years of college.  In terms of subjects, I teach biology and geography.  Both classes run for the full seven years so I get to know my students really well.  Often, I have them write letters to themselves when they are 13 and give them back when they are 20.  Good stuff.  

Just to drive you a little crazy, there is much greater didactic freedom in Switzerland, so when I teach subjects like evolution, the origin of life, modern reproductive methods, and race and genetics (biology) or global warming, human deveopment, and economic inequality (geography) there is plenty of room for me to preach my gospel and inculcate my students with my nefarious views.

Which brings me to my real point.  Your profile indicates that you are in your mid-thirties.  I hope you don't have teenage children yet.  However, when you accumulate some more life experience, and perhaps have children of your own, to say nothing of twenty year olds, you will understand how ridiculous it is to think that a room full of young people does anything less than constantly challenge the point of view of authority figures like parents and teachers.  The conversations and debates when they challange me, and each other, are the best part.  That's when the interesting stuff hapens.  

You're right about one thing.  I am friendly!  My classes are really popular and usually overbooked.  

I almost forgot--sometimes I bring Luna to class, especially on test days.  She helps the students relax before exams :)

There should be a thumbs down button on here. 

Sorry. Bruno helps illustrate an interesting phenomena. In the last 50-years, dogs have gone from being mostly treated as indentured farmhands to being literally actually coddled in bed, up in the big house. The rest of the farm animals are resentful of it too. Now that dogs have ingratiated themselves into the inner circle of human family-groups, they enjoy more protections than ever. Look for a push for formal recognition of basic pet rights and challenges to pet discrimination. So whether its emo-support dogs on airplanes or in restaurants, dogs in the supermarket, dogs at the crag - you haven't got a chance.

A simple solution that neatly and effectively deals with those pesky and annoying critters that invade your space and ruin an otherwise perfect day of climbing is bear spray.  

Apply judiciously and only enough to get the job done.  No need to be vindictive.  Once the boulderers have started to depart the area, cease and desist.  

I don’t think I’d have the heart to use it on dogs, though.  

5Seven Kevinwrote:

Holy cow I don't think ive ever seen a selfish narcissist so content with only talking about THEMSELVES, THEIR dog, THEIR children(8 billion people on the planet, wow teenagers are HARD to raise!) THEIR job, THEIR life.... Bruno sprays about himself harder than a sport climber lol

How dare Bruno not talk about you, your kids, and your dog. 

Chad Millerwrote:

How dare Bruno not talk about you, your kids, and your dog. 

How dare you not copy and paste another post and change one word!

While ignoring my question from earlier:)

Cherokee Nuneswrote:

Sorry. Bruno helps illustrate an interesting phenomena. In the last 50-years, dogs have gone from being mostly treated as indentured farmhands to being literally actually coddled in bed, up in the big house. The rest of the farm animals are resentful of it too. Now that dogs have ingratiated themselves into the inner circle of human family-groups, they enjoy more protections than ever. Look for a push for formal recognition of basic pet rights and challenges to pet discrimination. So whether its emo-support dogs on airplanes or in restaurants, dogs in the supermarket, dogs at the crag - you haven't got a chance.

And - why does anyone need to own another creature? The whole process is creepy. 

5Seven Kevinwrote:

How dare you not copy and paste another post and change one word!

While ignoring my question from earlier:)

Your post wasn’t special enough to create a satirical parody of it. ;)

Catch me under your proj with ten feral corgis

Skyler Scruggswrote:

Catch me under your proj with ten feral corgis

Catch me at the anchor, ya wanker!

Cherokee Nuneswrote:

Sorry. Bruno helps illustrate an interesting phenomena. In the last 50-years, dogs have gone from being mostly treated as indentured farmhands to being literally actually coddled in bed, up in the big house. The rest of the farm animals are resentful of it too. Now that dogs have ingratiated themselves into the inner circle of human family-groups, they enjoy more protections than ever. Look for a push for formal recognition of basic pet rights and challenges to pet discrimination. So whether its emo-support dogs on airplanes or in restaurants, dogs in the supermarket, dogs at the crag - you haven't got a chance.

I could be wrong (Just ask my wife...)

But, I'm guessing Cherokee is a cat lover...

Maybe even 2 or 3...

Like I said, I could be wrong, but the signs are there...

ed "little friskies..." e

WF WF51wrote:

And - why does anyone need to own another creature? The whole process is creepy. 

I used to own exotic monitor lizards, but always struggled with the thought of literally owning another creature. They were fun, most of it was trying to replicate their environment the best.

Should see the amount of huskies out here in Vegas backyards during summer...

Dogs are so odd. They're mostly represented by people who tend to hate what humans have done to the world, with total disregard that we enslaved the species and literally practiced genetic manipulations for OUR selfish wants and needs on them.

Now instead of these pro-nature anti-human people letting dogs regress back into wolves or be obliterated by nature in general we continue to anthropomorphize them. Humans are interesting!

But I climb rocks for entertainment so what the hells my opinion 

Bruno Schullwrote:

In the interest of taking this thread in a new direction, is there anything we can actually do about badly behaved dog owners and dogs at crags?

Well, at some point the issue with dogs at crags is going to start threatening climbing access.  All it would take is a dog bite and a land owner being sued to lose access in some areas.  So maybe the answer is to start pushing for dog bans at more areas before climbing access is threatened.  A lot or crags fall under the management of national, state, or local parks.  I could see more state or local parks treating dogs more like the national parks do, and just not allowing them in many areas.

I get that it's an unpopular thing to do, but the issue seems to just get worse every year.  At some point it will become necessary.  Dog owners are a user group just like any other, and like any other user group, a few bad apples can ruin it for everyone.