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Elnaz Rekabi competes without hijab at Asian Championships in solidarity with Iranian protestors.

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Jess B · · Washington DC · Joined Apr 2010 · Points: 35
Sarah Z · · Golden · Joined Jun 2018 · Points: 724
tobias bundle · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Mar 2020 · Points: 118

She is no longer missing but is being escorted to  prison. Unreal. Solidarity to the women of Iran. 

wendy weiss · · boulder, co · Joined Mar 2006 · Points: 10

I don't know if there's anything we climbers can do, but I just sent an email to the IFSC asking it to look into this and act on Ms. Rekabi's behalf.

Bruno Schull · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Dec 2009 · Points: 0

Another article;

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/oct/18/fears-for-iranian-climber-elnaz-rekabi-after-she-competed-in-seoul-without-a-hijab

Brave woman.  Deep respect.  F**k all those religious patriarchal freaks.

Daniel C · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Mar 2022 · Points: 0

Massive respect. She is enduring hell on earth now. 

djkyote · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Feb 2009 · Points: 0
Tradiban wrote:

I suggest reading up on said “culture” before making such proto-western comments. Showing hair is like burning The Flag to them.

Their outrage is justified, their reactions are not.

Is the Tradiban Hotline available for all international diplomacy questions, or are you an expert specifically in Middle Eastern women's rights?

trailridge · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Apr 2012 · Points: 20

Iran is such a backwards country. Religion can't destroy humanity, but they sure try in Iran. 

Chad Miller · · Grand Junction, CO · Joined Nov 2006 · Points: 150
Tradiban wrote:

I suggest reading up on said “culture” before making such proto-western comments. Showing hair is like burning The Flag to them.

Their outrage is justified, their reactions are not.

I have to respectfully disagree.

Only to a select few fundamentalist religious sects. One of these sects happen to be in power.  The majority of the country doesn’t feel this way.    

The government’s religious outrage isn’t justified.  

Jason Kim · · Encinitas, CA · Joined Apr 2012 · Points: 255
Tradiban wrote:

I suggest reading up on said “culture” before making such proto-western comments. Showing hair is like burning The Flag to them.

Their outrage is justified, their reactions are not.

Also, fuck any culture where burning a flag (any flag) is a big deal.

Allen Sanderson · · On the road to perdition · Joined Jul 2007 · Points: 1,100
Kyle Edmondson · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Nov 2012 · Points: 250
Tradiban wrote:

I suggest reading up on said “culture” before making such proto-western comments. Showing hair is like burning The Flag to them.

Their outrage is justified, their reactions are not.

Fair point.  May I suggest beginning with "Infidel" by Ayan Hrsi Ali?  Nice first hand account written by a woman raised in Sudan.  Perhaps try "Satanic Verses" by Salman Rushdie (currently recovering from being stabbed) even though that one isn't even directly about Islam's cultural impacts, more about how new ideas come to prominence in society.  Or try "Shalimar the Clown" (also Rushdie) for the evolution of Islamic terrorism.  

I agree, Islam's view towards women was progressive.  In the 6th century.  But I ask you to take your cultural relativism with you, and recognize that the vast majority in the Islamic world, specifically including Iran, does not support this type of oppression.  It is why Iran keeps having revolutions and protests that they unfortunately are putting down with bullets.  And while US involvement in Iran specifically and the Middle East as a whole is complex and damaging, that does not change the fact that this type of behavior by a government is wrong, and to speak against it.

Your desire to play devil's advocate in climbing may be funny, annoying, repetitive, etc, but here you are pretty out of line.

Tradiban · · 951-527-7959 · Joined Jul 2020 · Points: 212
Kyle Edmondsonwrote:

Fair point.  May I suggest beginning with "Infidel" by Ayan Hrsi Ali?  Nice first hand account written by a woman raised in Sudan.  Perhaps try "Satanic Verses" by Salman Rushdie (currently recovering from being stabbed) even though that one isn't even directly about Islam's cultural impacts, more about how new ideas come to prominence in society.  Or try "Shalimar the Clown" (also Rushdie) for the evolution of Islamic terrorism.  

I agree, Islam's view towards women was progressive.  In the 6th century.  But I ask you to take your cultural relativism with you, and recognize that the vast majority in the Islamic world, specifically including Iran, does not support this type of oppression.  It is why Iran keeps having revolutions and protests that they unfortunately are putting down with bullets.  And while US involvement in Iran specifically and the Middle East as a whole is complex and damaging, that does not change the fact that this type of behavior by a government is wrong, and to speak against it.

Your desire to play devil's advocate in climbing may be funny, annoying, repetitive, etc, but here you are pretty out of line.

I’m just saying try understanding cultural and religious symbolism before telling an entire religion, culture, and country to go “fuck” themselves.

Wearing a hijab is very important and symbolistic to many muslim women. “Americans”  don’t like it because they don’t understand it. Yes, it is a symbol of oppression of women to some people but it is also other things to many people who may think differently than you and I.

Chad Miller · · Grand Junction, CO · Joined Nov 2006 · Points: 150

Again Tradiban - I have to respectfully disagree with your statement. 

Most muslim women don't like wearing a hijab, they are forced to.  The hijab is viewed as a symbol of oppression for most muslim women.  I have a problem with it when women are forced to wear the hijab.   

Alex Fletcher · · Las Vegas · Joined May 2016 · Points: 252

People, especially women, shouldn’t be improsoned, beaten, raped or killed over a piece of cloth. 

I don’t have to understand the religious importance to know that the above treatment of women in Iran is sexist, cruel, immoral, inhumane, evil, etc. 

wendy weiss · · boulder, co · Joined Mar 2006 · Points: 10

For whatever it may be worth, the IFSC is monitoring the situation. IFSC OFFICIAL STATEMENT (ifsc-climbing.org)

I've noticed that some Indonesian women speed climbers wear hijabs and some don't. Apparently it's optional for them.

Jason Kim · · Encinitas, CA · Joined Apr 2012 · Points: 255
Greg Miller wrote:

i bet a lot of people on this thread think brittany griner should be freed too lol

Other than the fact that they are women who have been imprisoned, the two situations are totally unrelated and share no similarities.  What is your point?

Cherokee Nunes · · Unknown Hometown · Joined May 2015 · Points: 0

i bet a lot of people on this thread think brittany griner should be freed too lol

What's your point lol

Tradiban · · 951-527-7959 · Joined Jul 2020 · Points: 212
Chad Millerwrote:

Again Tradiban - I have to respectfully disagree with your statement. 

Most muslim women don't like wearing a hijab, they are forced to.  The hijab is viewed as a symbol of oppression for most muslim women.  I have a problem with it when women are forced to wear the hijab.   

How would you feel about American women walking around the streets topless?

ubu · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Jan 2009 · Points: 10
Tradibanwrote:

How would you feel about American women walking around the streets topless?

I'm not sure you've thought this question through all the way...

Chad Miller · · Grand Junction, CO · Joined Nov 2006 · Points: 150
Tradibanwrote:

How would you feel about American women walking around the streets topless?

Just fine.  How would you feel?

How would you feel if the the government made a law that you had to wear a yarmulke?

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