Climber Charles Barrett Arrested for Yosemite Sexual Assaults

@ Wendy. 

Yes, this.  I agree completely.

wendy weiss wrote:

Andrew, not to derail this thread, but I think the way the police treat sexual assault accusations is part of a much bigger problem with law enforcement culture, Misogyny is part of it. Racism too. And the number of law enforcement officers who are members of Oath Keepers and similar groups. I see that as the highly troublesome Big Picture for both law enforcement and the military. 

The stats of domestic abuse within families of police officers seems to also be quite atrocious, 

https://web.archive.org/web/20181130155618/ womenandpolicing.com/violen…

Average Forumuser wrote:

June 8,2022 CB calls same victim @ 1140pm . Placer County Sherriff Incident # P220602246

This actually sort of cracks me up - instantly transformed in my mind from fearsome predator with intent to a lost puppy looking for love in all the wrong ways - that no matter how hard you try, he just can’t be taught to stop dry-humping the cat. 

I would guess Mr Rice has spent more time and energy reaearching and typing in this thread than CB as a 10th grade dropout has spent on schoolwork over his entire life.

tldr; Dumber than a rock with an even lower EQ - yet so fucking interesting to you all.  What does that really say?

Mikey Schaefer wrote:

Given the fact that I've known Charlie since 2001 or so and I hadn't heard anything about assault or sexual assault and that I first learnt about it was from this thread, I wouldn't be surprised if Alex was in the same position.  I knew Charlie had gone to prison but I was mistaken and misinformed on what he'd gone to prison for.  

Mikey, I believe you when you say you didn’t know. 

Its not like he had it tattooed on his forehead... 

Predators / perpetrators like this divide, distract & create their own storyline.  They play on our innate desire to trust. Tactically, they can be shrewd & clever but maybe not altogether smart. They sometimes don’t think about the big picture, concentrating only on how to manipulate out of their current situation. It usually takes others ( Horray to law enforcement, advocates & many others in this instance ) to come along &  try to put all the pieces together. 

If he gets out, there will always be others who haven't heard & are vulnerable.  What can be done? 

To those of you that DID know, maybe underestimated the brutality or down played it. I wonder what you’re thinking/feeling these days. 

James W wrote:

This actually sort of cracks me up - instantly transformed in my mind from fearsome predator with intent to a lost puppy looking for love in all the wrong ways - that no matter how hard you try, he just can’t be taught to stop dry-humping the cat. 

I would guess Mr Rice has spent more time and energy reaearching and typing in this thread than CB as a 10th grade dropout has spent on schoolwork over his entire life.

tldr; Dumber than a rock with an even lower EQ - yet so fucking interesting to you all.  What does that really say?

I can guarentee you it doesn't crack her up

Average Forumuser wrote:

If he gets out, there will always be others who haven't heard & are vulnerable.  What can be done? 

To those of you that DID know, maybe underestimated the brutality or down played it. I wonder what you’re thinking/feeling these days. 

Currently society has no idea what to do with, for or about criminals. On one hand we celebrate people we think are reformed, we celebrate wrongful convictions that are punitive to innocent people,  we demand stricter punishments on crimes we deem terrible, and we advocate for less punitive punishments handed out. The belief system of criminals is totally irreconcilable. 

James W wrote:

This actually sort of cracks me up - instantly transformed in my mind from fearsome predator with intent to a lost puppy looking for love in all the wrong ways - that no matter how hard you try, he just can’t be taught to stop dry-humping the cat. 

This might be the grossest comment yet, in a thread that contains a lot of alarming sentiment  (but also more than a few very thoughtful posts).

This person has been convicted of committing real crimes against real human beings. He's charged with even more severe crimes, again, against a real human being. 

Your analogy is so messed up that I'm going to take a moment to break down why. 

In your mind, calling someone who a court has told him to stay away from makes him less "fearsome." "81% of women who were stalked by a current or former husband or cohabitating partner were also physically assaulted by that partner, while 31% were sexually assaulted. " National Coalition Against Domestic Violence. "76% of women murdered by an intimate partner were stalked first, while 85% of women who survived murder attempts were stalked.... 89% of femicide victims who had been physically assaulted before their murder were also stalked in the last year prior to their murder." And this is a guy who has already been convicted of assaulting an ex-partner and has multiple restraining orders. Not very fearsome, huh.

Now let's look at the language you use. You compare his actions to a dog's. A dog lacks the same moral responsibility for its actions that a human has. A grownup human is responsible for, among other things, not assaulting, stalking, or raping other humans. Further, you compare him to a puppy. A puppy is cute and innocent. You know what's not cute and innocent? Assaulting ex-partners and stalking them. Alleged rape is also not cute.  You state he's looking for love--what is loving about assault? 

You then compare the victim(s) to a cat, implying that they're not human. Talk about minimizing the victims' experience.

Last, you compare his alleged actions to dry-humping. Go re-read the fucking federal indictment you fucking asshole.

[edited to remove some swear words but also add more]

James W wrote:

This actually sort of cracks me up... What does that really say?

-4 for being a grade-A jackass

-3 for being obtuse to the nth degree

-2 for grammar ("actually" and "sorta," right next to each other?... speaking of low education levels)

Total:  -9/10 for troll effort.

Average Forumuser wrote:

…Its not like he had it tattooed on his forehead... 

…..What can be done? 

Sounds like you answered it.   Similar to the ol’ Scarlet Letter —only more appropriate 

Or maybe an ear tag like put on other animals that need monitoring. 

James W wrote:

This actually sort of cracks me up - instantly transformed in my mind from fearsome predator with intent to a lost puppy looking for love in all the wrong ways - that no matter how hard you try, he just can’t be taught to stop dry-humping the cat. 

I would guess Mr Rice has spent more time and energy reaearching and typing in this thread than CB as a 10th grade dropout has spent on schoolwork over his entire life.

tldr; Dumber than a rock with an even lower EQ - yet so fucking interesting to you all.  What does that really say?

What does that really say?

That many of us care.

Including caring about a broken system that contributes to creating the person you describe so eloquently in your post and the resulting humorous actions of that person....

And...

That you are quite comfortable posting this. Says a wee bit about the subjects being discussed.

We also now have a concurrently running thread on MP, about a mere route name. Don't mean nothin', right????

Hmm.

H.

EDIT to add, in the interest of fairness and kindness, I pretty often assume posts aren't always very reflective of the general humanity of those posting, especially after beer thirty. You did a remarkably crass job of it, on this post, but I can still see a possibility of a point attempting to be made about CB and (perhaps) the frustrating futility of reform.

Old lady H wrote:

EDIT to add, in the interest of fairness and kindness, I pretty often assume posts aren't always very reflective of the general humanity of those posting, especially after beer thirty. 

Funny, I'd consider those honest hours where you get a real look at the person

Erik Strand wrote:

Seems you misunderstand what I said and you recognize it, but you want to disagree with me. An interesting stance to take. I'm not going to bother engaging with such ludicrousness. Also, I can share a video of a PHD biologist going on about how there are somewhere around 12 major "families" than can be fairly easily identified through testing of your genetics. 

OOH WOW A YOUTUBE VIDEO??!!! THAT'LL LEARN US!

James Arnold wrote:

OOH WOW A YOUTUBE VIDEO??!!! THAT'LL LEARN US!

In all fairness, youtube is fantastic resource for learning things. Not saying that this exact example warrants merit, but you just blanketing youtube as only delivery questionable info is disingenuous to the wonders of video sharing platforms.

One could just as easily say ," oh wow! a mountain project comment That'll learn us??!!" There has been lots of great points shared here, and plenty of ignorance / lack of empathy...

Average Forumuser wrote:

To those of you that DID know, maybe underestimated the brutality or down played it. I wonder what you’re thinking/feeling these days. 

i gave pointers to who some of these people were and got hostile defensive responses from the climber bros here

seems no one wants to ask real people the real questions

the conversation now is mostly about being outraged about hypothetical situations

also, the astute reader will notice that there is still no confirmation about the specific crimes of CB's prison stint

there are no documents posted describing the specific convictions and the case numbers are nowhere to be found on the web

all we have are few restraining orders which is not good but still no confirmation on convictions of violent crimes

i want to believe these facts are true but is it fair to ask for confirming docs or links when the claims are so serious?

good news is that several of CB's victims feel comfortable reaching out to andrew and providing details

that is vital since CB knew so many people and none of them seem to know anything about what was going on

not a single person with a real name has claimed firsthand knowledge about this violent history spanning more than a decade

so thanks to andrew for being so well connected and providing inside information when the rest of the community seems to know nothing

Andrew Rice wrote:

It doesn't say what he was in for 

that's my point

we have proof that he did time but no proof as to why

everything else is stuff from an anonymous poster, a photo of an envelope, a mention on a supertopo thread, and a reference to what mikey heard

he could have done time for something awful, it could have been weed (statistically most probable in a fed prison)

seems he is a violent guy, but we have no documented confirmation about the specific conviction

 Apparently  

also my point

starting a sentence with "apparently" doesn't make it true

most of these 20 pages are speculation built upon speculation

there are very few verifiable facts

the info on this thread is no better quality than stuff on truth social

Face Palm wrote:

that's my point...

the info on this thread is no better quality than stuff on truth social

You lost me there. BTW, you're criticizing people for posting anonymously but I'm gonna go out on a limb and guess that you weren't born with the legal name "Face Palm." You created that MP account on Sept. 12 and have made almost all your posts in this particular thread, anonymously.

What's your real name? Where do you live? What's your connection?

I'm up front about my name. Mikey is about his. Wendy is. Alan is. So are many others here. Don't do the very thing you criticize in others, some of whom have very good reasons of personal security to not give away their personal ID. 

His prior federal conviction (and current charges) should be available on https://pacer.uscourts.gov/ 

Anyone can create an account; you don't have to be an attorney. There is a 10 cents fee per page, if I recall correctly. 

Andrew Rice wrote:

You lost me there. BTW, you're criticizing people for posting anonymously but I'm gonna go out on a limb and guess that you weren't born with the legal name "Face Palm." You created that MP account on Sept. 22 and have made almost all your posts in this particular thread, anonymously.

What's your real name? Where do you live? What's your connection?

I'm up front about my name. Mikey is about his. Alan is. So are many others here. Don't do the very thing you criticize in others, some of whom have very good reasons of personal security to not give away their personal ID. 

lol, you went there

i am not claiming any facts, only pointing out the lack of verifiable facts in this thread

how many posts have you made with "I heard" ... "I know" 

interesting that nobody else in the climbing scene has heard or knows

why do you need to know who I am when all I claim is verifiable in this very thread

and you don't challenge the identity of of "Average Forumuser" or "seeking hope in humanity"or whatever they changed their name to

or "petzl logic" and all the other nameless participants

why is that?

because Andrew Rice gets to demand who is interrogated by Andrew Rice

btw, how do you know "several" of the victims and no one else (with a real name) knows any?

that's a little spooky

Plot twist. Face Palm is Charles Barrett.

Face Palm wrote:

lol, you went there...

why do you need to know who I am when all I claim is verifiable in this very thread

and you don't challenge the identity of of "Average Forumuser" or "seeking hope in humanity"or whatever they changed their name to

or "petzl logic" and all the other nameless participants

why is that?

The other people with aliases aren't criticizing people for using aliases, dummy. That's why.

Since you seem to crave some "hard facts" I'll help you out. Here's the indictment for Charlie's Yosemite Prior that he went to Taft Federal Prison for. Looks like he got pulled over driving drunk in Yosemite (while also under 21) and then, later, slashed the personal vehicle tires of the arresting ranger and, a few days after that, made threats against the same ranger/witness.  Note that the original indictment had to be updated to add witness intimidation. 

And here's the Federal Judge's current detention order denying the defendant bail pending trial, which is very rare. Take a look at C) Findings of Fact which are written by the judge, not the prosecutor. Note "The weight of evidence against the defendant is high." Also, "The defendant has a significant prior history of crime (violence)."

Also, this, a "prior felony conviction for corporal injury to a spouse... number of victims... has recently admitted to having contact with victims with RO in place... history of threats."

Guess it wasn't weed he went down for. So I'm gonna stick with the belief that none of the people posting their restraining orders, stories of testifying in a DV case, etc. are making it up. This is just his FEDERAL rap sheet for crimes committed in Yosemite National Park.