Climber Charles Barrett Arrested for Yosemite Sexual Assaults

another aspect to this whole sad subject is how pretty white girls get so much more sympathy  and justice than women of color. We saw it with gabby and we saw the same thing again the last few weeks with the school teacher in Tenn and the high school  party girl. pretty white girls make the front cover and result in nation wide manhunts. women of color just disappear... 

Rachel Aviv has a good piece in the current issue of the New Yorker about three women who were drugged and raped by the same man and subsequently threatened with charges of making false accusations.

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2022/09/12/the-victim-who-became-the-accused

Andrew Rice wrote:

This grid is from the federal bureau of prisons showing the percentage of incarcerated people by crime they were convicted of. 

You have to look at those charts with a bit of scrutiny. Many incarcerated people come in with multiple offenses. You’d need to break down the list even further to get an accurate picture. Most “drug charges” have assault, weapons, various degrees of attempted murder, trafficking, gang activity and/or domestic violence attached to them. Those lists tend to just file them under “drug related”. True drug only charges are short term and usually don’t go to actual prison, unless they’re trafficking large amounts. Those (small drug offenses) make up a large percentage incarcerated in Jails, but not prisons. Jail terms are typically less than 1 year. 

that may well be the case yet i was in no way refrenceing this incident. I was  pointing out the way the medial treats  abductions differently. Not just gabby, but in the last few weeks the teacher in TN and the party girl in Wisconsin. in that same time frame certainly many women of color have been abducted  that we do not hear anything about.  

Andy Wiesnerwrote:

Rachel Aviv has a good piece in the current issue of the New Yorker about three women who were drugged and raped by the same man and subsequently threatened with charges of making false accusations.

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2022/09/12/the-victim-who-became-the-accused

Tough but worthwhile read—thanks. The part about Waters’s friends encouraging her to report what happened, and the repercussion she faced when she did, hit especially hard.

I think a lot of survivors of sexual assault have had experiences where they were encouraged to report and it ended up being a negative experience (fortunately not always on the level of what this article describes). It’s hard because it’s natural to want to encourage people we care about to seek justice when they have been harmed. And we definitely don’t need more messaging discouraging people from reporting sexual violence. At the same time, I think it’s important not to pressure people to report and to understand that they may have very valid concerns about the outcomes they can expect.

Sending good thoughts to any of Charlie Barrett’s victims who may be making this difficult decision now.

well since this convo is now a dumpster fire lets add some fuel

http://supertopo.com/climbers-forum/2843684/Stuck-The-Charlie-Barrett-Profile

includes confirmation that he did time at taft

there's lots of stuff about charlie on that site and most of it is praise. note that these posts are from around 2016 - the time of the crime

i think some of the old timers got some splainin to do

Climbing got 'wise' and pulled down the story:

http://www.climbing.com/people/stuck-the-charlie-barrett-profile/

I’m apparently not internet savvy enough to figure out how to use the wayback machine, anyone know how to get the old climbing article (apparently unflattering) from 2016 by lucas? Climbing has deleted it and idk how to pull it from archives…

   And yeah, a bit of an interesting mixture of people in support of him on that thread.

Edit: thanks for the link, Face Palm, enlightening, to say the least. Def had his “legal issues” downplayed, imo…

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Face Palmwrote:

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These names go right to the top of Big Climbing, pretty crazy.

“Charlie flipped his car while goofing around in Ryan Campground.”

Lol - I recall this - so our paths have crossed - that or it was someone just as dumb.

10th grade dropout - and I would guess his mental/emotional issues are more complex than falling off a rappel, as cited.

Interesting snapshot into the seedier side of the “pro climber” scene.

I've wanted to post on this thread, but haven't been able to figure out what to say. The supertopo thread, and Climbing Magazine article make it seem even worse. It's sad that our "community" seems to care more about canceling climbers that post offensive memes or drill pockets in Wyoming than calling out someone who is terrorizing women. I've yet to see anything from his sponsors or guidebook publisher taking a stance against his actions or speaking of his character. 

climbing00wrote:

I've wanted to post on this thread, but haven't been able to figure out what to say. The supertopo thread, and Climbing Magazine article make it seem even worse. It's sad that our "community" seems to care more about canceling climbers that post offensive memes or drill pockets in Wyoming than calling out someone who is terrorizing women. I've yet to see anything from his sponsors or guidebook publisher taking a stance against his actions or speaking of his character. 

I believe you are mistaken in thinking real climbers, mtn proj and the "community" are one in the same.

climbing00wrote:

I've yet to see anything from his sponsors or guidebook publisher taking a stance against his actions or speaking of his character. 

Lol - non-sequitur - he’s been locked up in prison, and being against rape is assumed universal.

I feel like these things don't happen in a vacuum.  

It is true that a little help and compassion will go a long way for certain people in certain situations. But when dealing with the type that actively harm others, a little enabling will go even farther. A lot farther.

Not only are harmful people aware that others will overlook certain things and give them a pass because of empathy, systemic social norms, friendship, charisma, reputation and/or whatever else, they are counting on it.

Like most people here, I most definitely want to see justice done in this situation. More than that it's making me question some things about the climbing community in general - what is enabled, what is tolerated, when do people get a pass for bad behavior and so on. Like most of us if we are honest, I have close friends, coworkers, family who have been victims. I want to know just what the line is, because that is how safe things are, full stop. I am certain that the line is not zero tolerance (personally that's where I draw it). My main interaction with climbers has been when climbing. I am and will remain well out of any climbing social scene or climbing subculture.

Sam Gileadiwrote:

Not only are harmful people aware that others will overlook certain things and give them a pass because of empathy, systemic social norms, friendship, charisma, reputation and/or whatever else, they are counting on it.

To me, you're describing a Narcissist. The trick with dealing with a Narcissist is to run, fast, the other direction, and don't look back. 

Many people who are victims of (say) childhood abuse take on the characteristics of those who abused them, how ever crazy that sounds. Someone who had an alcoholic parent may find that they have a different addiction - say to work, or exciting hobbies on steep precipices while building out used work vans. This is different than the aforementioned, and there are recovery programs.

http://supertopo.com/climbers-forum/2843684/Stuck-The-Charlie-Barrett-Profile 

That thread checks all the boxes: 

"Seemed like a chill guy."

"Nice to me and my family"

"One of the most humble persons you'll ever meet."

"A really under the radar badass." 

"Unbelievably talented and accomplished, but you'd never know it by talking to him."

"Done some amazing things."

Unbelievable - correct. 

Long Rangerwrote:

To me, you're describing a Narcissist. The trick with dealing with a Narcissist is to run, fast, the other direction, and don't look back. 

Many people who are victims of (say) childhood abuse take on the characteristics of those who abused them, how ever crazy that sounds. Someone who had an alcoholic parent may find that they have a different addiction - say to work, or exciting hobbies on steep precipices while building out used work vans. This is different than the aforementioned, and there are recovery programs.

I know all that.  Zero tolerance for me means there is no room or leeway for enabling anyone in my personal space.  That means a lot of things including avoiding certain social scenes and people.  It doesn't mean avoiding a homeless person or someone who has been in prison unless they cross that line like anyone else.

Let's take some not-so-hypothetical situations in which rape or abuse occurs and is not reported, or the victims feel pressure not to report it that is finally overcome, or they do report it and the consequences are worse for them. These do not happen in a vacuum. Real world situations lead up to it. The perpetrator is already enabled. Afterwards, how and why do you think all the social pressure happens that prevents it from being reported and justice served? To be honest, I get quite angry when I think about what happens with the entire cycle, not just the act.

Anyway if found guilty I hope they throw the book at him.

Average Forumuserwrote:

Some really sad facts: 

Fact : 6 individuals were witness to CB sneaking up on his ex girlfriend and punching her in the head repeatedly in Bishop, California back in 2007ish. She fell with the first hit and he kept hitting her in the head while she lay helpless on the ground. 

Fact:  They testified in court on her behalf. He was convicted of a felony and served jail time.

Fact: CB has a criminal history. He has been convicted of multiple violent crimes. Served multiple sentences.

Opinion: CB is a world class climber and a really nice guy... until he's not.

Its pubic record, look it up 

Note* While the previous submission is entirely true . I was advised to edit this submission & to delete any of my personal information.

What did the 6 individuals do in the moment who witnessed this? Did they intervene? Stop it? Just watch? Give him a beat down? Anything?

Heyzeuswrote:

What did the 6 individuals do in the moment who witnessed this? Did they intervene? Stop it? Just watch? Give him a beat down? Anything?

So assault is Ok if the witnesses didn’t intervene?