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Climbers that are sober.
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7.5 years sober for me. I live in Southern Utah but if anyone ever needs a partner in the late fall through late Spring, I can easily jaunt out for some good sober fun. I learned to climb at around 5 years sober, when I stopped working a program and was in a very lost place. If I wouldn't have started climbing, I probably wouldn't have the wealth of friends, memories, and plentiful recovery that I have today. |
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As Helen said, yes, a big congrats to all on maintaining your sobriety. And… it might be worth mentioning that there are other addictions out there that are killing people, too—if not physically, at least emotionally and/or spiritually. To name a few: gambling, shopping, porn, internet, sex/love, video games, and so on. I say congrats to those folks who have found sobriety from these things as well. Even if climbing is also an addiction, at least it is a relatively healthy one—as long as you place good pro and rig your anchors correctly. |
Daniel Joderwrote: Don't forget the soloing addiction! |
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Good point, Tradiban… let’s add high risk sports in general! Also, I might add, power. All over the world we have folks addicted to power—and they get a lot of admiration from their fans. As of yet, I don’t know of a 12-Step program for power addicts, but there ought to be one (if only it were seen as an illness rather than something admirable). Anyway, don’t want to derail the thread too much… I’m coming up on 3 years and nine months in my particular program. Climbing has been a part of the Solution. |
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18 years without a drink or substance more mind-altering than caffeine/nicotine. That's my threshold for physical sobriety, and I don't feel entitled to define anyone else's threshold. I'm not sober out of virtue; I'm sober because the one thing that seemed to be keeping me alive, alcohol, stopped working. I've had to do a ton of internal work in order to not lose my mind without this crutch. I wouldn't have done that work unless I was 100% convinced it was necessary for my physical survival. The first 2 years dry were the hardest of my life, and I feel for anyone who's going through that. It's gotten better and easier for me, and I believe it can for you. I'm happy to share privately about the one thing that works for me. For me, climbing only loosely relates to recovery from alcoholism. I can't stay sober long-term if I don't have a life that's worth staying sober for. Climbing is one facet of that life. Since climbing has been so rewarding and fun for me, it's quite tempting to make this activity the focus of my recovery in much the same way that people hang their sobriety on a personal relationship or a job. To do so would make my sobriety conditional. Circumstances change. Climbers get old and/or injured. Sobriety for me requires daily work, and I can't expect to climb every day. |
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First year was incredibly hard. |
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there is an active sober community that climbs indoors for free and once a year does a trip to moab its called the phoenix and through it is how i met my trad and multi pitch mentor |
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9 years clean on 3/31. Keep it up all. |
Cory Nwrote: Hell yeah! Celebrated 16 years in January |
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smoking weed every day is 1,000% better for your health than smoking weed and drinking every day but its certainly not sobriety... |
Tradiban wrote: I tried, and failed miserably to get off of heroin with AA, for around 5 years... Never being able to string together a full 90 days clean regardless of putting myself in rehabs, sober homes, going to meetings multiple times a week, working with a sponsor, moving to new cities, and trying everything I could to be sober. I'd end up lonely, and depressed, from avoiding all my friends, certain jobs, and social situations outside of recovery circles, and relapse. The AA mindset that you need to be completely sober almost killed me a few times during those years. |
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We are all addicts of some sort, I've seen people get sober and throw their family and lives away over addictions to meetings/groups so I get what you are saying. |
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I am not the AA crowd. I don't know anything about opiates other than friends have died from them. I do know alcohol is really, really bad for your health and lost several friends that way as well. . I have several friends who were going to die drinking and they quit the booze but kept the weed. I think they both did a tremendous thing to get off alcohol. It works for them. being completely sober / not doing any mind altering drugs including caffine is pretty cool and a completely different mindset. I have done that a lot. My problem was not weed so i don't worry about blowing my streak if I eat a brownie once in awhile but lately just haven't felt like it. Its legal here in VT so i have some in the cabin but havent touched it in a couple months for no reason other than i don't really like being high. I like the pain mitigation which at my age is a real thing but don't like my head being messed up. thats probobly why i liked the booze so much. booze seems to be more of a body high and less of a head high... at least for me when I was pro drinker. No way i could just have one beer though... Not happening.... 3 is not enough, 4 is too many and 8 is not nearly enough.... |
Tradiban wrote: Is there a single post you don’t troll? Fentanyl/ opiate overdose is the single leading cause of death in 18-45 year old males. Drugs and alcohol are a factor in over 2/3 of suicide completion which is the 2nd leading cause of death for ages 10-14 years old. I have no opinion on cannabis usage as I’m allergic and chose abstinence but alcohol is actually the most toxic drug long term a person can use…. Causes brain damage and cancer of every organ in your body cool fact there is no known safe amount of alcohol you can consume. 10/10 support everyone on their journey to recovery. When I went to detox 16 years ago I never imagined I would be in recovery still, but here I am recovering out loud. |
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It would be pretty narrow minded to think that abstinence is the only way, everyone has their own path. Keep up the good work. |
Sarah Zwrote: Again, huh? No troll, there are many addictions out there, booze, weed, coffee, cigarettes, food, soloing, just climbing, etc. Some can be managed by some and some spin out of control for some, everybody is different and fighting internal battles. |
Tradiban wrote: Alcohol damn near killed me a few times, and I know others in this thread have had similar experiences and close calls with death. For others, different drugs almost killed them. Everyone here has also probably lost friends to addiction. Some are actively watching loved ones going down a vile and dangerous path to this day. You coming in here and being an ass is akin to trolling a fatal-accident thread. But that’s just what narcissists do, so I don’t really blame you. |
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I am currently on my third night of sleeping in my mother-in-law's hospital room, where she has been for the past 30 days with hepatic encephalopathy from ALD. That lady had both her feet in the grave and that close brush with death might have been what she needed to get her act together. I thought I was coming here to arrange a funeral. Anyways, I just want to shout out to those of you who are sober, trying to stay that way, or want to get that way. Solid work, much love and respect. |
Marc Hwrote: Tradiban comes onto every post and either trolls people, minimizes their experiences, or pretends everyone else is an idiot. I’ve never once seen someone trash their entire life over a cup of coffee or free soloing, I have one hundred percent seen people do that for their next drink or drug. Big difference |
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It was really nice around here when he got banned, he's the most attention seeking child I've ever had to deal with. |
