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Chouinard Strikes Back

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Tradiban · · 951-527-7959 · Joined Jul 2020 · Points: 212
Matthew Jaggers · · Red River Gorge · Joined Sep 2017 · Points: 695

Lol. This article would be like if in 25 years, Jim Titt took a stand against bolting. Id be interested to know if Chouinard had a buy back program for all the Pitons he sold. My guess is, no.

M M · · Maine · Joined Oct 2020 · Points: 2

TLDR!

Creed Archibald · · Salt Lake City, UT · Joined Apr 2012 · Points: 1,026

Okay boomer. 

F r i t z · · North Mitten · Joined Mar 2012 · Points: 1,190
M Mwrote:

TLDR!

The internet, broadcast television and the marketing-industrial complex all say you're welcome for ravaging your attention span with lowest-common-denominator high-fructose pandering over the last seventy years. Electronic panem et circenses to keep the masses in line. I shudder to think what the future for rational discourse holds when muthufuggaz who grew up on Tik Tok reach voting age.

Salient, sassy quote from the article: 

Even some of the most celebrated free solos are performed after obsessive research, training and rehearsal on gear. For some, “clean” is distilling climbing down to a contest between the climber and the rock, the greatest challenges met by eliminating the unknown rather than embracing it. Exploration has been left by the wayside and with it the preeminence of the environments that define it. True adventures are not efficient.

Cherokee Nunes · · Unknown Hometown · Joined May 2015 · Points: 0

I gave it a read. It would be a good read for any climber, a chance for some self-reflection.

djkyote · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Feb 2009 · Points: 0

Trad: apples

Sport: oranges

armchair billionaire musings lol

James W · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Aug 2021 · Points: 0

While Chouinard is quoted, the essay’s author writes about climbing like a 5.7 gumby.  The points are outdated, shallow and oversimplified.

Jake Jones · · Richmond, VA · Joined Jun 2021 · Points: 170

Drivel.

Fern Gully · · Snowmass, CO · Joined May 2017 · Points: 45

Sponsored by one of the biggest outdoor apparell  retailers whose only real goal is to sell as much as possible created by a billionaire whose fortune was amassed by selling his piton company and churning out overpriced apparel to the masses. Talking about our impact? Thanks for the lecture 

Dave Cramer · · Greenfield, MA · Joined Aug 2013 · Points: 7

Patagonia has been at the forefront of attempting to do business in a more environmentally-friendly way. Of course they aren't perfect, but they appear to be trying harder than any other company I'm aware of. How is being cynical about their every action helping? 

B Rad · · Cascadia · Joined Feb 2016 · Points: 170

Let your conscience be free and send your vintage chouinard pitons to me….
A selfless act, I know. Let’s do this people…for the environment.  Oh yeah, longware and holubar pins should also be sent to me in order to preserve the integrity of the planet. Dm me for details…

Andrew Bowman · · Waxhaw, NC · Joined Sep 2019 · Points: 15

If they cared about their impact, would their clothes be made in China? 

Jim Titt · · Germany · Joined Nov 2009 · Points: 490
Matthew Jaggerswrote:

Lol. This article would be like if in 25 years, Jim Titt took a stand against bolting. Id be interested to know if Chouinard had a buy back program for all the Pitons he sold. My guess is, no.

I have oppposed bolting in the past and will in 25 years time if I live that long.

M M · · Maine · Joined Oct 2020 · Points: 2
abandon moderation wrote:

tldr: modern climbers have no soul, have turned climbing into a sport instead of a lifestyle, and don't really care about damaging the rock, crags, or environment.

Thanks, I was hoping I could troll Tradi into a quick summary but this works!

M M · · Maine · Joined Oct 2020 · Points: 2
Jim Tittwrote:

I have oppposed bolting in the past and will in 25 years time if I live that long.

Lots of crack dealers in the US oppose smoking crack. I get it.

Matthew Jaggers · · Red River Gorge · Joined Sep 2017 · Points: 695
Jim Tittwrote:

I have oppposed bolting in the past and will in 25 years time if I live that long.

 

I have faith in you!

Tradiban · · 951-527-7959 · Joined Jul 2020 · Points: 212
M Mwrote:

Thanks, I was hoping I could troll Tradi into a quick summary but this works!

This sums it up: 

"the 2020 Olympics...confirmed Chouinard’s verdict that sport climbing is merely that—a sport."

jleining · · CO · Joined Apr 2007 · Points: 32

Here i am thinking it was going to be about the climbing industry needing to go green.... ironic that he made his fortunes selling gear and clothes that are made from petroleum.... and Patagonia still sells petroleum products. love the green washing of these companies 

Tanner James · · Sierras · Joined Dec 2019 · Points: 1,428

Patagonia also makes every single piece of uniform equipment for all special operations units in the United States military. They got a ton of hate for that recently for obvious reasons, so they created a sneaky company called Lost Arrow which now makes all the uniform equipment for special operations. It’s still Patagonia making everything but now they can be like “nooo that’s lost arrow! Peace and love!”

Brett Harris · · Irvine, CA · Joined Aug 2020 · Points: 10

TLDR: large corporation tries to guilt trip you for going to the crag and proposes no real solution to the far from novel issues it presents

Guideline #1: Don't be a jerk.

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