PEDs in climbing....drugz!

weed + adderal = sendage (just do this bouldering)

how many people know climbers that take SARMs or steroids?

I think its probably pretty prevalent. In other sports with similar passion driven like non-competitive big wave surfing there have been outspoken leaders like Laird Hamilton on the use of performance enhancing drugs. There's a great video interview with him discussing it. He mentions using steroids to build up his "armor" to "prepare him for dealing with the earth" (huge bone crushing waves in his case). Here's what somebody else said about it, lines up pretty well with my view tbh:

"Who could complain then, if Hamilton, Greg Long, Garrett McNamara, climbers like Ueli Steck, or the great Rienhold Messner want or wanted to use drugs to supplement their training regimes? If people who have dedicated their lives to the sheer, desolate edges of non-competitive sports want to use performance enhancing substances and are open about their decision, I wouldn’t blame them any more than I would blame the artist who uses psychotropics or the writer who drinks too much. "

I have a problem when competitive athletes use drugs to gain an unfair advantage in their league. I also have a problem when they use drugs and then are caught and thereby disillusion their fans (especially younger people who look up to them and aspire to be like them). That's not cool.

But if you're out there on your own pushing your own personal envelope....and you want to enhance your performance to improve your odds of surviving and achieving your goals doing something kinda gnarly....I'm not going to be a douchebag and say anything bad about you.

To each their fucking own :)

5.samadhi wrote: I think its probably pretty prevalent. In other sports with similar passion driven like non-competitive big wave surfing there have been outspoken leaders like Laird Hamilton on the use of performance enhancing drugs. There's a great video interview with him discussing it. He mentions using steroids to build up his "armor" to "prepare him for dealing with the earth" (huge bone crushing waves in his case). Here's what somebody else said about it, lines up pretty well with my view tbh:

"Who could complain then, if Hamilton, Greg Long, Garrett McNamara, climbers like Ueli Steck, or the great Rienhold Messner want or wanted to use drugs to supplement their training regimes? If people who have dedicated their lives to the sheer, desolate edges of non-competitive sports want to use performance enhancing substances and are open about their decision, I wouldn’t blame them any more than I would blame the artist who uses psychotropics or the writer who drinks too much. "

I have a problem when competitive athletes use drugs to gain an unfair advantage in their league. I also have a problem when they use drugs and then are caught and thereby disillusion their fans (especially younger people who look up to them and aspire to be like them). That's not cool.

But if you're out there on your own pushing your own personal envelope....and you want to enhance your performance to improve your odds of surviving and achieving your goals doing something kinda gnarly....I'm not going to be a douchebag and say anything bad about you.

To each their fucking own :)

One could argue that the “non-competitive” sport of climbing, with the claiming of first ascents, etc., is, in fact, competitive.

Hamish Hamish wrote:

One could argue that the “non-competitive” sport of climbing, with the claiming of first ascents, etc., is, in fact, competitive.

I guess one could Hamish :)

Been trying RAD140 a SARM.

its.....RAD!!!! hehe

its potent stuff, my recovery has shot up for sure. I'm just now entering an ARC foundation phase after a hiatus pursuing other sports shit, so we'll see how that effects climbing.

Anybody else got some drugs they're on?

Be sure to get your hormones checked. I believe that was originally a male contraceptive that was abandoned because it crashes testosterone.

Good call. Anything that effects the HPTA should be approached with caution. 

Nandrolone is good for building quality rock solid muscle. No bloating a very little water retention.

Meldonium (Mildronate), telmisartan (Micardis) and T3 liothyronine (Cytomel) are also used for building endurance for bikers or ultra runners.

Equipose (bolodonone?) has been a favorite at my gym for its ability to make fast, lean muscle gains stacked with trenbolone or an oral like Winstrol.

You should seek professional advice before taking any of this shit. There is a right and wrong way to take them, depending on your goals. You should also be prepared for your balls to shrink (or your clit to grow), acne, oily skin, really high cholesterol, and who knows what else for long term.

Oh, and you might as well get a script for Viagra at the same time.

EDIT: Testosterone (and analogs) along with good workouts makes you stronger. Period.  All of these "supplements" are bullshit as far as I am concerned. Diet and exercise do the rest.

Buck Rio wrote: Nandrolone is good for building quality rock solid muscle. No bloating a very little water retention.

Meldonium (Mildronate), telmisartan (Micardis) and T3 liothyronine (Cytomel) are also used for building endurance for bikers or ultra runners.

Equipose (bolodonone?) has been a favorite at my gym for its ability to make fast, lean muscle gains stacked with trenbolone or an oral like Winstrol.

You should seek professional advice before taking any of this shit. There is a right and wrong way to take them, depending on your goals. You should also be prepared for your balls to shrink (or your clit to grow), acne, oily skin, really high cholesterol, and who knows what else for long term.

Oh, and you might as well get a script for Viagra at the same time.

EDIT: Testosterone (and analogs) along with good workouts makes you stronger. Period.  All of these "supplements" are bullshit as far as I am concerned. Diet and exercise do the rest.

yeah John Long talked about how him and his buddies used anabolic drugs. He mentioned the drawback to them as far as performance goes is that it can often make your muscles so strong that your tendons and ligaments can't keep up with the demand you can now create on them through increased strength. This kind of sounds familiar to us probably on forums giving advice to beginners about hangboarding, it usually involves some caveat about "letting your tendons strengthen over multiple years" -

I think the only way steroids are a good idea then are if your natural levels get so low that you need it to remain healthy/strong - like HRT.

Buck Rio wrote: Nandrolone is good for building quality rock solid muscle. No bloating a very little water retention.

Meldonium (Mildronate), telmisartan (Micardis) and T3 liothyronine (Cytomel) are also used for building endurance for bikers or ultra runners.

Equipose (bolodonone?) has been a favorite at my gym for its ability to make fast, lean muscle gains stacked with trenbolone or an oral like Winstrol.

You should seek professional advice before taking any of this shit. There is a right and wrong way to take them, depending on your goals. You should also be prepared for your balls to shrink (or your clit to grow), acne, oily skin, really high cholesterol, and who knows what else for long term.

Oh, and you might as well get a script for Viagra at the same time.

EDIT: Testosterone (and analogs) along with good workouts makes you stronger. Period.  All of these "supplements" are bullshit as far as I am concerned. Diet and exercise do the rest.

For the anabolic steroids listed above, it isn't that your balls shrink. The main issue is that your body stops producing natural testosterone. When MMA started testing fighters for PEDs, some of the stars of the sport started TRT. TRT is testosterone replacement therapy, because your body can not make testosterone. Basically once they stopped doping, the needed a small dose of testosterone just to have normal functions.

Side effects that are common include: Infertility, increased risk of cancer, addiction, changes in personality, breast tissue formation in men, acne, facial hair in women, etc.

WillF wrote:

I would never advocate for a healthy person to take anabolic's just to get stronger for climbing. I have a lot of stuff wrong with me that may or may not be the result of my youthful steroid use. Lots of arthritis and joint pain, missing a lot of cartilage from my knees and ankles. I also have a lot of hair on my back some would describe as "unnatural". 

So, for those that have actually done one of these drug regiments with a training cycle, can you rein it in for us? Who was doing 5.11's, and then did the drugs/training regiment for 6-12 months and then peaked on a 5.13? 

What's your tangible gain climbing grade wise?

Mitch Wilson wrote:

So, for those that have actually done one of these drug regiments with a training cycle, can you rein it in for us? Who was doing 5.11's, and then did the drugs/training regiment for 6-12 months and then peaked on a 5.13? 

What's your tangible gain climbing grade wise?

Hey Mitch, I don't think anybody (rightfully so) does a full regimen for climbing. It would make no sense. But I am anxious to hear anybody's experience that has. 

Mitch Wilson wrote:

So, for those that have actually done one of these drug regiments with a training cycle, can you rein it in for us? Who was doing 5.11's, and then did the drugs/training regiment for 6-12 months and then peaked on a 5.13? 

What's your tangible gain climbing grade wise?

I think that’s probably possible with solid foundation in 5.11 and a very solid training plan/with plenty of free time to peak on a 13a after 12 months without steroids. 

Again I’m not sure if anabolic steroids would help a person in the long run. You would need to be even more careful than normal you don’t tweak a tendon, because your muscles would be rapidly developing strength. 

Ben F wrote:

I Believe SR9009 (Stenabolic) could be beneficial to climbing, it is not hormonally estrogenic or androgenic, rather it is an REV-ERB agonist shown to boost endurance, reduce anxiety, and decrease cholesterol, weight, and inflammation. Here is a link https://www.pnas.org/content/116/25/12147

Edit:
I just got into climbing a week ago, I am currently grossly overweight and trying to lose that weight. I am an experienced SARM user and am using SR9009 and cardarine as a stack over the next 8 weeks. I legit just joined, because I think it is important to share experiences like these, as to spread awareness and information. 

Who would I go to to get into a trial? 

Currently seeing a urologist for ED from previous steroid use. Tons of downside to T replacement, i.e. shrunken testes, high cholesterol, prostate cancer etc...