Gabby Petito last known to be in Tetons

Teton Climber wrote:

The skills they will use to investigate this case, especially in regards to location tracking, don't require any specalized traning unless you think using a modern TV requires training. It is basic legwork.

I have to slightly disagree with this. Sure, obtaining location tracking data isn't rocket science. However, interpreting that data correctly requires some knowledge of the infrastructure behind it. There was a case some years ago where they assumed the suspect was in a certain area based on the mobile tower they connected to. However, defense brought in an expert witness who testified that it is entirely possible for a phone to connect to a tower that isn't the closest tower to their location. If I recall correctly, it was related to the load on the closest tower.

Can't find the exact case I'm thinking of, but here's an article that lays out the issues.

Salient quotes from the article:

• It is important to understand that a user of this software may only know how to use the software, and to do so does not in fact require them to also know how to properly analyze call detail records.
• A cell phone will select the tower that provides the best signal when connecting to the network, which is not always the nearest network tower.
• Cellular network providers design their networks to contain towers that have overlapping coverage. The coverage area for cellular towers varies based on the specific needs of the location that it services. This means that there is no standard coverage area for any cellular tower.
• The Guardian further discusses this issue in a recent article, stating  “The system has also linked phones to the wrong masts, connected them to several towers at once, sometimes hundreds of kilometres apart, recorded the origins of text messages incorrectly and got the location of specific towers wrong.

The Guardian article referenced can be found here. NY Times also did a piece on the whole debacle. It's about how Denmark had to review 10k convictioms when they realized the data was flawed.

See,  like a said a really wild and complicated mental scene.  Guy has fantasies about being a serial killer.  Pops the two ladies who somehow agitate him and then gets super weird on his already weird van partner and does her nut.  Starting to make sense now.  Based on the news reports citing association of the two crimes I think the cops are way ahead of us on this.  Dude is gone to ground somewhere in Florida.  Either dead (likely) or armed and dangerous if he's stoked up on meds. (stoked on meds is highly likely if all this comes true)

Now the dude has given everyone the slip in Florida.  He's missing.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/cops-search-carlton-reserve-for-brian-laundrie-person-of-interest-in-gabby-petito-disappearance

Before I comment, let me reiterate that I am very suspicious of Laundrie and can't imagine any circumstance where his behavior is justifiable (according to my own morals which aren't universal). Yet I find myself compelled to comment in his defense on a couple things.

I would "go missing" too if people took the law into their own hands and saw fit to "protest" outside my house. Honestly, that would be pretty scary and I would fear for my safety and the safety of my family.

I can't find anything to suggest Laundrie had some sort of weird fascination with the serial killer book. Gabby was the one pictured with it. She was also reading some book about the Zodiac. Just Google "brian laundrie chuck palahnuik" and you'll see. I don't think this has any bearing on her disappearance. True crime is hardly a niche interest.

ETA - I also see no reason to associate him with the double murder in Moab.

There's speculation and there's grasping at straws. All these rumors are the latter imo.

Taking the law into their own hands is exactly what a reasonable dad would do if something like this happens to his daughter, imo. If, of course, the court system fails- anything he does right now could endanger the legal case. 

jake renfree wrote:

Taking the law into their own hands is exactly what a reasonable dad would do if something like this happens to his daughter, imo. If, of course, the court system fails- anything he does right now could endanger the legal case. 

...I'm talking about random people protesting outside his house. Nobody in Gabby's family was there, just some randos. So I guess I don't understand what you're getting at.

Wherever this goes in the coming months could be interesting - but it will all end the same way - boyfriend getting his cheeks busted in prison.  I don’t see any other outcome.  You can’t hide a body well enough in WY tourist central and he’s too skinny and dumb to have gotten far with it.  It’s just a matter of time.

Spider Savage wrote:

See,  like a said a really wild and complicated mental scene.  Guy has fantasies about being a serial killer.  Pops the two ladies who somehow agitate him and then gets super weird on his already weird van partner and does her nut.  Starting to make sense now.  Based on the news reports citing association of the two crimes...

Nope. The timelines overlap in Moab but that's all.

Sheriff says there is "no link" between Gabby Petito case and deaths of newlyweds

I’d guess the Laundrie family’s late “cooperation” with LE had much to do with the protesters. Something like, “if we let the public know he is long gone, maybe the protesters will leave.”

To allow he is innocent of her disappearance, there would need to be some pretty unusual mental baggage to justify how Laundrie has behaved so far. 

Bill Lawry wrote:

I’d guess the Laundrie family’s late “cooperation” with LE had much to do with the protesters. Something like, “if we let the public know he is long gone, maybe the protesters will leave.”

To allow he is innocent of her disappearance, there would need to be some pretty unusual mental baggage to justify how Laundrie has behaved so far. 

By all accounts, she was the one who was coming unglued and acting aggressively. Even her own account.

Maybe they continued on their trip and another incident began (seems very likely). Unable to handle the continued drama and violence, he separates from her and takes the van. According to the bodycam video 14:35, he didn't have a phone. Feeling he's probably in trouble for abandoning her and unable to call anyone, he panics and heads home. In the meantime she actually goes missing. He gets home and finds out he's really in trouble and lawyers up...

I dunno. Possible but improbable? My point is speculation is worthless because anything is possible.

All the available information seems to show he's not the aggressor and was actually struggling to get through the situation in the best way possible, while she was... not so much.

Doug S wrote:

By all accounts, she was the one who was coming unglued and acting aggressively. Even her own account.

You’re confused.  3 uninvolved and unrelated people called the cops on the bf for what happened in front of the supermarket in Moab.  3 people dialed 911 out of a concern for her safety.  What happened on the body cams a little later was incompetent policing.

James W wrote:

I don’t see any other outcome.  You can’t hide a body well enough in WY tourist central and he’s too skinny and dumb to have gotten far with it.  It’s just a matter of time.

What makes you think that if there was a nefarious outcome that a body would be in around Jackson? He drove across the country over the course of a few days.

Teton Climber wrote:

"Having been there"...

That is great. So, please do explain exactly what's going on in regards to this case that we are missing and you have insight to.

100% sure that you don't know 1% more than the rest of us. But can't wait to have you in town solving this case. Got the cold beers if climbing is necessary.

 

I'm retired man. But I know what goes into an investigation, and you are dumbing it down. With that said I'm done with this. All you Agatha Christies keep at it. Very entertaining.

James W wrote:

You’re confused.  3 uninvolved and unrelated people called the cops on the bf for what happened in front of the supermarket in Moab.  3 people dialed 911 out of a concern for her safety.  What happened on the body cams a little later was incompetent policing.

When it comes to domestic violence, the assumption is the male is the aggressor. The people who called 911 called after the incident started, I doubt any saw it start from the beginning. 

At least in the US the police are not permitted to use this controversial technique, which is sometimes used by the RCMP in Canada:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mr._Big_(police_procedure)

"All the available information seems to show he's not the aggressor and was actually struggling to get through the situation in the best way possible"

Are you sure?  I haven't seen anything to support this perspective.   All I know is, his artwork is reflective of a person obsessed with violence, weapons, and deep dark mental places.   Not to mention he refused to cooperate and now he's missing.

Re: the police tape incident in Utah -  Though Gabby appeared to be having the mental problem, that is very often brought on by the presence of a toxic personality, who would be totally cool as a cucumber when confronted by the person he is "gaslighting" or any other bystander.  

Wild speculation warning!

I was climbing today with two partners, one of whom is following this, one of whom was hearing about it for the first time. If connected to the two ladies who were murdered up in the La Sals, (1) maybe she killed the two ladies, and he is in fear of being an accessory. Or maybe (2) he killed the La Sal ladies and then eventually Gabby so she wouldn't speak about it?

The point is, we can all speculate wildly. My speculation is only to make that point. I hope Gabby is found, but I think it is unlikely, unless (1) is what happened. There's clearly something weird happening, and I think Brian's family needs closer scrutiny, and their lawyer is a prick. The whole thing makes me sad. WTF is wrong with people?

Regarding the Moab case...... It's too soon to say there's "no link", give me a break.   One of the victims was working at the store that afternoon until 3pm (per foxnews.com/us/missing-gabb…); the 911 call involving the altercation was at 4:30.   It's very likely that Brian Laundrie and the murdered store employee interacted that day.   This whole thing is terribly suspicious and I am shocked that this dude was allowed to escape.  We are going to have a huge nationwide manhunt soon.

Cian McLaughlin - top

Robert Stiles Lowery - bottom

Two other people missing in Teton County that, seemingly, none cares about outside of family.

LE has started ground searches in GTNP for Gabby. It looks like they have evidence she was here.  Someone  also claims  that Brain L., Gabby's BF, offered them $200 for a 10 mile ride in GTNP..  No word if true.

The fella at the top of the image was known to be hiking in the park when he went missing. The bottom guy was last seem in Teton Village (on camera). The guy at top is assumed dead in the park. LE was looking for a third man this summer who also went missing (James Daniels JR ‘Mojo). At the time, LE  was tight-lipped about the backstory  on the missing men except for the local kid at top. All of the missing men were highlighted in local media but social media didn't pick up much interest.