What I Should Have Said About Joe Kinder

TJ Espositowrote:

Did SDG apologize to the female production assistant that she to/about (paraphrazing) "Aren't you too fat to be doing this job?"  At least Joe actually contributes to real-world climbing, versus being a climbing "influencer" who just shows up for some Red Bull footage on whatever crag/route someone else put the effort into developing.  

Maybe she was right? 

The untold story is that Sasha used to tease Joe for his accent relentlessly. Not that that excuses his behavior but it does provide a little context.

Princess Puppy Lovrwrote:

I wrote a whole response to you and MP deleted it. Anyway, I can't find any proof of this actually being the case. In fact the article that is most anti-joe acknowledges he did apologize. If we are going to broadly talk about internet bullying, I assume you are always anti internet bully? For some reason I never see you call out anyone in the shuan threads(you even commented in this thread like WTF), or moab thread or really any thread where people are being bullies to one another. So at the very least if you believe a full cancellation is warranted for Joe you should extend some effort to MP users. 

You can't find any proof in that article?

"She described the situation as malicious and ongoing. A few years ago, I saw instances of this harassment myself, where Joe would create degrading memes on Snapchat in an attempt to shame Sasha. In her post, Sasha expressed that she had privately contacted Joe in the hopes he would stop harassing her, but to no avail. Shortly after Sasha posted her story, Courtney Sanders, another female professional rock climber, came forward and said that she too had been bullied by Joe. The nature of the bullying described by both women focused on the apparent flaws that Joe found with their bodies."

Do better, Trevor.

Ben Silverwrote:

You can't find any proof in that article?

"She described the situation as malicious and ongoing. A few years ago, I saw instances of this harassment myself, where Joe would create degrading memes on Snapchat in an attempt to shame Sasha. In her post, Sasha expressed that she had privately contacted Joe in the hopes he would stop harassing her, but to no avail. Shortly after Sasha posted her story, Courtney Sanders, another female professional rock climber, came forward and said that she too had been bullied by Joe. The nature of the bullying described by both women focused on the apparent flaws that Joe found with their bodies."

Do better, Trevor.

Your right someone doesn't apologize immediately they are in the wrong forever. I thought you were saying Joe never apologized.

Princess Puppy Lovrwrote:

Your right someone doesn't apologize immediately they are in the wrong forever. I thought you were saying Joe never apologized.

Joe Kinder, more like "Joe Not-kind-er". 

Don't know why; but this seemed appropriate to this entire discussion: 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BcCPR7hQHCk

ed "to err is human, apparently it's impossible to forgive..." e

I think I’ve said it before, the climbing community isn’t mature enough to not hate people. Legit, the worst people I’ve come across, especially on the Internet, and if you messed up, we’ll, “f*** you”,”hope you die a miserable death” and “let’s cut his hands off!”

TJ Espositowrote:

 At least Joe actually contributes to real-world climbing, versus being a climbing "influencer" who just shows up for some Red Bull footage on whatever crag/route someone else put the effort into developing.  

Ya! That’s the spirit!! Sasha has NEVER put up any routes! AND if you don’t put up routes then you’re not contributing to climbing!!!

R Gwrote:

Ya! That’s the spirit!! Sasha has NEVER put up any routes! AND if you don’t put up routes then you’re not contributing to climbing!!!

Man you just cant help but stick your nose in shit huh?

R Gwrote:

Ya! That’s the spirit!! Sasha has NEVER put up any routes! AND if you don’t put up routes then you’re not contributing to climbing!!!

Dang bruh, maybe you could mentor her?

R Gwrote:

Ya! That’s the spirit!! Sasha has NEVER put up any routes! AND if you don’t put up routes then you’re not contributing to climbing!!!

You are a masterful troll. Trevr, take notice.

R Gwrote:

I think I’ve said it before, the climbing community isn’t mature enough to not hate people. Legit, the worst people I’ve come across, especially on the Internet, and if you messed up, we’ll, “f*** you”,”hope you die a miserable death” and “let’s cut his hands off!”

People are very angry.   Especially the 20-30 people, myself included, who hang out on MP arguing with each other all day.  

We don’t represent the climbing community.

316 SS Wedgiewrote:

Man you just cant help but stick your nose in shit huh?

6 months ago you had no idea who I was… and I’ve been climbing for almost 15 years. Like I said, you make a mistake and the climbing community doesn’t give a f***. 

This thread is starting to remind of this old story:

Seamus was coming out of the pub with his son when he stopped and put an arm around the youngster. He nodded towards the village in front of them and said, “You know, I built half the homes in this village but nobody calls me a homebuilder.”

Then with a wave of his arm, he said, “And I worked on half the roads in this village but nobody calls me a roadbuilder.”

Seamus sighed, put his two hands on his son’s shoulders and, looking him hard in the eye, said, “But you fuck one sheep….”

Change the words to be climbing related and there we are ...

Nick Rhodeswrote:

Yes, but how does he get paid?

Why is that your business?

Allen Sandersonwrote:

This thread is starting to remind of this old story:

Seamus was coming out of the pub with his son when he stopped and put an arm around the youngster. He nodded towards the village in front of them and said, “You know, I built half the homes in this village but nobody calls me a homebuilder.”

Then with a wave of his arm, he said, “And I worked on half the roads in this village but nobody calls me a roadbuilder.”

Seamus sighed, put his two hands on his son’s shoulders and, looking him hard in the eye, said, “But you fuck one sheep….”

Change the words to be climbing related and there we are ...

Everyone screws the pooch at some point, some are funny to look back on and some are just super awkward like WTF was I thinking....

This is a fun thread.

R Gwrote:

6 months ago you had no idea who I was… and I’ve been climbing for almost 15 years.

Maybe that’s because you TR 5.8 (which is fine, but hardly noteworthy) and bolt 5.3 petroglyphs (which is super egregious and highly memorable). There’s nothing to know about you other than you blowing it and reluctantly taking responsibility.

simplyput .wrote:

Maybe that’s because you TR 5.8 (which is fine, but hardly noteworthy) and bolt 5.3 petroglyphs (which is super egregious and highly memorable). There’s nothing to know about you other than you blowing it and reluctantly taking responsibility.

There’s SO much more to know!!

For example, I also collect legos!