But... he's a troll!

Dustin Bwrote:

Posting up seems kinda... trollish.

it's a goddamned Horcrux!

I still don't see you posting who it is.

Daniel Chode Riderwrote:

I still don't see you posting who it is.

Dats trawlin, yo.

Tim Stichwrote:

Take pictures of the gear having nice lunches and dinners and post from another troll account, flaunting you possession of it and showing how it has a much better life now.

Best idea, I think. 

Austin Shaverwrote:

I'm assuming either Trevor or Tradi? You know, I see a lot of ill will towards them for their 'trolling' but they're in most threads and start a lot of their own on an already relatively inactive forum. This place would be boring without them.

Quite the pathos to be a person that needs such fools in their life, for any reason.

Condolences but thanks for sharing that nugget of human dysfunctionalism in public.

James Jenwrote:

Fun list! You know what else isn't theft?

• Picking trash out of a garbage bin that has its  previous owner's name on it (like a cardboard box with a shipping label on it.)
• Fishing flotsam outside from the ocean that has its previous owner's name on it (like a pair of underwear with your name sewn into the label.)

Ultimately, irrelevant because none of these categories capture the circumstance of the gear recovery by the OP:

There you go, no longer irrelevant  and now they capture the circumstances of the gear recovery by the OP. Fun list!

James Jen wrote:

Ultimately, irrelevant because none of these categories capture the circumstance of the gear recovery by the OP:

Would it be theft if I took your double rack from the base of a crag? What if you inadvertently left it?

I don't think so. And neither is the instance of gear recovery by the OP.

If I was still at the crag? Yes that would be theft. 

If I was no longer at the crag and I "inadvertently" left some litter (I mean, "gear") behind? No, that would not be theft, that would be a public service. 

The rules of booty are clear. If you find it laying around and no one is around to claim it, and it wasn't part of a (self)rescue, it's trash and therefor it's yours to decide if you want to keep it or send it back to the previous owner if possible, but the decision to send it back to the previous owner has nothing to do with the rules of booty, only one's personal decisions as to what to do with their newfound gear. And if one does send it back to the previous owner, that's altruistic because you're not sending them their gear back, you're sending them your gear. 

I miss the days when lost gear posts were "Booty alert! There's fixed gear on X climb or at the base of X climb. If you want to send it back, sweet, otherwise happy hunting!" 

I recently had a climber contact me when they found a bunch of gear my second had left on the route. As far as I was concerned, that gear belonged to the climber that found it, but they wanted to give it back. It wasn't  required, but still pretty awesome. 

Penny Lanewrote:

Quite the pathos to be a person that needs such fools in their life, for any reason.

Condolences but thanks for sharing that nugget of human dysfunctionalism in public.

I'd rather have a dozen fools around me over one cruel person, life is too short to be that picky.

LMAO at your condolences!

M Mwrote:

LMAO a your condolences!

Good line. I'm saving that.

He already chucked it and is now mocking you.

James Jenwrote:

Fun list! You know what else isn't theft?

• Picking trash out of a garbage bin.
• Fishing flotsam outside from the ocean.

Ultimately, irrelevant because none of these categories capture the circumstance of the gear recovery by the OP:

Would it be theft if I took your double rack from the base of a crag? What if you inadvertently left it?

I don't think so. And neither is the instance of gear recovery by the OP.

Whoa, Brohan McHighhorse.
Ultimately, its booty rules.
It wasn't a fucking rack captain exaggerator. Someone fucked up and dropped or left a piece of gear.
Booty rules per this example: he can keep it with no ill conscience, or try and help the gear find its way back to the OG owner and get all those DoGooder points.

Fail Fallingwrote:

There you go, no longer irrelevant  and now they capture the circumstances of the gear recovery by the OP. Fun list!

If I was still at the crag? Yes that would be theft. 

If I was no longer at the crag and I "inadvertently" left some litter (I mean, "gear") behind? No, that would not be theft, that would be a public service. 

The rules of booty are clear. If you find it laying around and no one is around to claim it, and it wasn't part of a (self)rescue, it's trash and therefor it's yours to decide if you want to keep it or send it back to the previous owner if possible, but the decision to send it back to the previous owner has nothing to do with the rules of booty, only one's personal decisions as to what to do with their newfound gear. And if one does send it back to the previous owner, that's altruistic because you're not sending them their gear back, you're sending them your gear. 

I miss the days when lost gear posts were "Booty alert! There's fixed gear on X climb or at the base of X climb. If you want to send it back, sweet, otherwise happy hunting!" 

I recently had a climber contact me when they found a bunch of gear my second had left on the route. As far as I was concerned, that gear belonged to the climber that found it, but they wanted to give it back. It wasn't  required, but still pretty awesome. 

But....how did your underwear end up in the ocean??? 

Askin for a friend.

Fail Fallingwrote:

The rules of booty are clear. If you find it laying around and no one is around to claim it, and it wasn't part of a (self)rescue, it's trash and therefor it's yours to decide if you want to keep it or send it back to the previous owner if possible, but the decision to send it back to the previous owner has nothing to do with the rules of booty, only one's personal decisions as to what to do with their newfound gear. 

And that's why Shawn did nothing wrong when he took people's stashed ropes, right Captain Runon?

I mean, I trust the OP to recognize booty when he sees it. I'll believe the gear he's got is booty at least as much as I believe he's got it. But 'anything still at the crag when the party is gone,' is not the rules of booty. 

Greg Maschiwrote:

You can choose to be spiteful or forgiving.You may choose to pass judgement,or perhaps cut a fellow human being a break.How many miles have you walked in their shoes?Just a thought.

We're talking about adults who spend their time trolling online. I think those wise words are too ironic to really apply here.

JonasMRwrote:

And that's why Shawn did nothing wrong when he took people's stashed ropes, right Captain Runon?

My response is 

Kevin DeWeese wrote:

The rules of booty are clear. If you find it laying around and no one is around to claim it, and it wasn't part of a (self)rescue, it's trash and therefor it's yours. 

If you have to look for it because it was stashed then it's not laying around now is it? Shawn was not "cleaning" up ropes that were left out in the open (stick clips excepting) so the comparison doesn't really track with the conversation. Try to keep up and work on that reading comprehension. 

People are welcome to argue that caches are intentional trash because they (generally) go against the regs in a park but imo, you should leave any cache that you have to search around for since those caches are part of the reason there's fun routes to play on for all of you climbers that don't bother to put your own routes up. 

Old lady H wrote:

But....how did your underwear end up in the ocean??? 

I'm a sucker for sirens.

Fail Fallingwrote:

My response is 

If you have to look for it because it was stashed then it's not laying around now is it? Shawn was not "cleaning" up ropes that were left out in the open (stick clips excepting) so the comparison doesn't really track with the conversation. Try to keep up and work on that reading comprehension.

Sorry bro, I’m still not smart enough to follow. A thing is either “perfectly clear” and has a concise definition, or it’s one of those “ya know it when you see it” kinda of things. I’m sure it’s just my poor reading comprehension that gives me trouble with your run on sentences, but I’m still hearing a whole bunch of “excepts.” Sure seems to me like a “ya know it when ya see it” kind of thing.

I'm a sucker for sirens.

Sounds like someone needs to buy a good rope.

WF WF51wrote:

And climbing has been mainstream forever.

Definition of hyperbole...

Auction it off.

Dustin Bwrote:

Why the forum thread, you know what you want/are going to do. Posting up seems kinda... trollish.

Ya know, you're right but when I posted I hadn't made a decision about what to do with it.  And asking on MP is worthless -- same ole shit show.  Sorry I asked.

John Byrneswrote:

Ya know, you're right but when I posted I hadn't made a decision about what to do with it.  And asking on MP is worthless -- same ole shit show.  Sorry I asked.

Aren’t there only three options?  Keep it, toss it or return it?  And those are all boring answers.  If not a bunch of joke answers, what did you want?

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