Hardest Top Rope

What is the hardest TR?

Silence. No directional draws.  

Gumby King27 wrote:

Silence. No directional draws.  

I think you misspelled Dawn Wall

Nah it's my gym, makes silence look like a v2.

The hardest commonly done top rope I would think is the fly in rumney.

Trevor Taylor wrote:

The hardest commonly done top rope I would think is the fly in rumney.

Yes but it's been led, therefore no longer a top rope. What's the hardest top rope that has never been led?

Can you explain the joke?

The folks at my local crag have TR'd a lot of stuff over the years to decide if they want to bother bolting stuff... I'd assume that is a pretty common practice.  If so, then you;d think that there would have been some pretty hard stuff that wasn't interesting enough to bolt/clean/put anchors on/etc.

Why is that funny?

John Reeve wrote:

Can you explain the joke?

The folks at my local crag have TR'd a lot of stuff over the years to decide if they want to bother bolting stuff... I'd assume that is a pretty common practice.  If so, then you;d think that there would have been some pretty hard stuff that wasn't interesting enough to bolt/clean/put anchors on/etc.

Why is that funny?

It's not a joke. What is the hardest route only ever done on top rope? I can think of a supposed 14A at Devil's Lake but I'm sure there's something harder out there.

Tradiban wrote:

It's not a joke. What is the hardest route only ever done on top rope? I can think of a supposed 14A at Devil's Lake but I'm sure there's something harder out there.

Aren't you afraid that once it's determined, some crusher will get wind of it and then head out and bolt it? Won't this thread contribute to what you purport to be against?

"The joke" is that this question has no value. What's the point in asking such a banal, boring question?

Q. What's the hardest route someone has climbed using only one foot? A. Don't care.

Q. Only using their thumbs? A. Still don't care

Q. What about only on top rope?! What an interesting question! ...

Alexander Blum wrote:

"The joke" is that this question has no value. What's the point in asking such a banal, boring question?

Q. What's the hardest route someone has climbed using only one foot? A. Don't care.

Q. Only using their thumbs? A. Still don't care

Q. What about only on top rope?! What an interesting question! ...

Or…maybe the joke is this question got your undies in a bunch so much that you had to post about how much you don’t care? 

Personally? The hardest TR is a traverse! It’s the same as leading in a sense! so, is it a TR?

Mark Pilate wrote:

Or…maybe the joke is this question got your undies in a bunch so much that you had to post about how much you don’t care? 

Where in that post did I say I don't care what gets posted on these forums? I said it's a stupid, boorish question. Not the same thing. Tradiban pollutes the forums with inane bullshit and lowers the general quality of discourse - I do care about that.

Jesse Martin wrote:

I think you misspelled Dawn Wall

Did you lead it free?

Alexander Blum wrote:

Where in that post did I say I don't care what gets posted on these forums? I said it's a stupid, boorish question. Not the same thing. Tradiban pollutes the forums with inane bullshit and lowers the general quality of discourse - I do care about that.

Where in that post did the user say posting on these forums? The context of a post within a topic thread is always the topic of the thread, not the larger forum that hosts that topic thread unless specifically stated otherwise. As such, the point that the joke was to get you to post in the thread about how you don't care about the topic of the thread still stands. 

Tradiban wrote:

It's not a joke. What is the hardest route only ever done on top rope? I can think of a supposed 14A at Devil's Lake but I'm sure there's something harder out there.

Fair enough.  

But how does something get a YDS grade without being led?

To be clear, these are legit questions, I'm just easily confused and don't care if folks think I'm poorly informed :D

John Reeve wrote:

Fair enough.  

But how does something get a YDS grade without being led?

To be clear, these are legit questions, I'm just easily confused and don't care if folks think I'm poorly informed :D

The YDS grade has nothing to do with whether a route is led, TRd, soloed, etc, it has to do with the technical difficulties and sustained nature of the moves on that route. 

It doesn't even mater if it's bouldered since the grades can be converted. The only styles of ascent that don't fit into the YDS scale would be ice climbing or aid climbing. 

Alexander Blum wrote:

Where in that post did I say I don't care what gets posted on these forums? I said it's a stupid, boorish question. Not the same thing. Tradiban pollutes the forums with inane bullshit and lowers the general quality of discourse - I do care about that.

You could just hit the ignore button but I seek to convince you otherwise.

A top rope is "just practice" to some extent, but it offers a chance for a pure focus on the movement of climbing without the distraction of clipping or a potentially dangerous fall.

The hardest top rope would be a pinnacle of strength and purity.

I've come to defend tradiban. I think this is an interesting question.

Tradiban wrote:

Yes but it's been led, therefore no longer a top rope. What's the hardest top rope that has never been led?

There's a 14b+? TR project at mickeys beach I think

Connor Dobson wrote:

There's a 14b+? TR project at mickeys beach I think

Wow, cool. Never sent?

The Bounty Route at DL was supposedly sent by Jim M, aka Shoe Guy, aka Wayne Bob at 14a. The "bounty" is $1000 for the second ascent, he tried to goad Sharma into it. Jim said 14a (or maybe 15a!) but DL is very conditions dependent. It's so hard and slopey he claims that clipping would be impossible. How cool is that?!

Another cool thing about the hardest TR is that it can't be overhanging much, so it cant be steep climbing on decent holds, it has to be micro edges or slopers on gently overhanging or slab terrain, which would require a finesse not found on the hardest sport routes of the modern era.