Facebook rocks.

Ricky Harlinewrote:

This place is the fucking worst evidence #23,417. A parent sharing their perspective is fine and isn't flexing, jfc 

It is THE WORST!!!   

Well, after reading so many posts of utter indignation I guess I have yet another annoying hobby to jump into. Thanks for the Beta

Levi Xwrote:

This is one of the dumbest takes I have ever seen. 

You hate it because it's true, impact is impact the only difference is the human perspective. Give it 100 years with out human intervention the trail and the plastic bag would be gone, the bag broken down by uv or buried under soil, the path maybe now being used by animals but dramatically reduced in size. And the rocks, well, its only humans who actually care about a tiny bit of colour on some rocks. 

Question: if somebody was leaving paper mache rocks on trails, would you support that? What about oil on canvas? How about painting thousands of dead leaves and dumping them along the trails? Surely all of those should be fine if leaving painted rock art is cool. 

T Legowrote:

Question: if somebody was leaving paper mache rocks on trails, would you support that? What about oil on canvas? How about painting thousands of dead leaves and dumping them along the trails? Surely all of those should be fine if leaving painted rock art is cool. 

Well as I already said environmentally it's all a blip, so then you have to ask why people do what they do, is it out of pure lazyness? Was it for an art instalation? was it for little kids to find and make their day? was it for a popular activity? Everything has an impact this we all know, have some empathy and try and look at why the other person does what they do, you might be equally pissed of or you might actually understand it. 

I'd also like to point out that what you wrote is a logical fallacy, slippery slope. 

that guy named sebwrote:

Well as I already said environmentally it's all a blip, so then you have to ask why people do what they do, is it out of pure lazyness? Was it for an art instalation? was it for little kids to find and make their day? was it for a popular activity? Everything has an impact this we all know, have some empathy and try and look at why the other person does what they do, you might be equally pissed of or you might actually understand it. 

I'd also like to point out that what you wrote is a logical fallacy, slippery slope. 

I'm not pissed off, I'm trying to understand why art being placed along trails is ok and to what extent. I am in the act of doing what you suggest I try to to do: "look at why the other person does what they do".

What I said is not a slippery slope. I was asking for people with a view that this is ok whether those other things are also ok. I was not arguing that painted rocks would lead to oil paintings in the wild. And it's only a slippery slope if I both imply that y is worse than x, and that x will lead to y. I happen to think x and y are indeed similar here, and wondering what other people think. 

T Legowrote:

I'm not pissed off, I'm trying to understand why art being placed along trails is ok and to what extent. I am in the act of doing what you suggest I try to to do: "look at why the other person does what they do".

When I say "you" I wasn't referring directly to you (I did look back through the messages before that post to see if you were), it was more directed to those who were pissed off with people little decorated rocks for people to find.

What I said is not a slippery slope. I was asking for people with a view that this is ok whether those other things are also ok. I was not arguing that painted rocks would lead to oil paintings in the wild. And it's only a slippery slope if I both imply that y is worse than x, and that x will lead to y. I happen to think x and y are indeed similar here, and wondering what other people think. 

That's not how it read man.

snowcreek man wrote:

"Everything has an impact"

Thats true.. But everything can also be weighed with context.  A trail is not dumpster or public park where the street cleaner will come and deal with the mess you made.  A trail is to preserve the wilderness and to keep the public from causing environmental harm.  A painted rock is a painted rock. Trash, that will have to be discarded by someone.  if you cant tell the difference between trash, and trail than there is not much hope for you. And for sure you dont bury your shit...

You don't "pReSeRvE WiLdErNeSs" by building a trail into you silly man. That is the opposite of preserving wilderness.

You preserve wilderness by staying TF out of it.

snowcreek man wrote:

A trail is to PRESERVE the wilderness by keeping the public on one maintained path.  To compare a trail to a painted rock is just silly

A silly response to a comment that starts with "Nah" was the point. There is no debate with someone that starts with a defined NO then spews their opinion. It would be the equivalent of arguing with a 15 year old. They already know everything and have no capacity to understand a different point of view.  

Casey sherrill 

"My kids help get rid of them. Because they are learning and understanding nature. Not some weird way to make people feel happy. It’s a social media experiment not a heart warming gesture."

Explain to me how how these rocks have any environmental impact on the planet.  everything you do in life has more of an impact then these rocks. So what exactly are you teaching your kids?  It would appear that the cycle is continuing in your family tree.Your kids will be complaining on an internet forum about how someones enjoyment has effected them personal.  Casey can you show me where the rock hurt you?

Kevin Mokracek wrote:

Haha true! Had too

If this is flexing you need to hit the gym buttercup... 

Levi X

 "This is one of the dumbest takes I have ever seen."

That was the point by dude!  Your response started with a "Nah" then your opinion. There is no discussion with someone like you. You lack the ability to understand a different point of view.  Perspective comes from different life experiences. The ability to understand others perspectives gains you knowledge and understanding that would take thousands of lifetimes to get otherwise.     

Since you took the bait hook line and sinker though lets run with this. Quick google search of Spokane shows 35 trails leaving the city limits. take the miles of the trails figure 1.5' wide average trail. you end up with 20+ acres of ground that has been reduced to dirt. So explain to me how these rocks have more impact on the environment then the 20 acres of ecosystem that has been reduced to dirt. If the trails didn't exist there would be no rocks on them,  no people leaving trash,  no roads to the trail heads effectively all of the problems that hurt your feeling so bad would all be gone if the trails didn't exist. which makes you part of the problem by being on the trails.  Debate away my dude!  If you need an example of how people debate a topic go up a few comments from this one there are some gentlman having a debate on this subject both sides making good points. One of them even responds to your comment "This is one of the dumbest takes I have ever seen." and makes very good points. 

ADAM GRANTwrote:

A silly response to a comment that starts with "Nah" was the point. There is no debate with someone that starts with a defined NO then spews their opinion. It would be the equivalent of arguing with a 15 year old. They already know everything and have no capacity to understand a different point of view.  

 

Casey sherrill 

"My kids help get rid of them. Because they are learning and understanding nature. Not some weird way to make people feel happy. It’s a social media experiment not a heart warming gesture."

Explain to me how how these rocks have any environmental impact on the planet.  everything you do in life has more of an impact then these rocks. So what exactly are you teaching your kids?  It would appear that the cycle is continuing in your family tree.Your kids will be complaining on an internet forum about how someones enjoyment has effected them personal.  Casey can you show me where the rock hurt you?

Kevin Mokracek wrote:

Haha true! Had too

If this is flexing you need to hit the gym buttercup... 

Levi X

 "This is one of the dumbest takes I have ever seen."

That was the point by dude!  Your response started with a "Nah" then your opinion. There is no discussion with someone like you. You lack the ability to understand a different point of view.  Perspective comes from different life experiences. The ability to understand others perspectives gains you knowledge and understanding that would take thousands of lifetimes to get otherwise.     

Since you took the bait hook line and sinker though lets run with this. Quick google search of Spokane shows 35 trails leaving the city limits. take the miles of the trails figure 1.5' wide average trail. you end up with 20+ acres of ground that has been reduced to dirt. So explain to me how these rocks have more impact on the environment then the 20 acres of ecosystem that has been reduced to dirt. If the trails didn't exist there would be no rocks on them,  no people leaving trash,  no roads to the trail heads effectively all of the problems that hurt your feeling so bad would all be gone if the trails didn't exist. which makes you part of the problem by being on the trails.  Debate away my dude!  If you need an example of how people debate a topic go up a few comments from this one there are some gentlman having a debate on this subject both sides making good points. One of them even responds to your comment "This is one of the dumbest takes I have ever seen." and makes very good points. 

Sounds like you got a little bent out of shape. I’ll continue to remove the rocks and you continue to google search so you can prove you are the bigger brain. You describe a good debate and then talk like a Condescending man. You probably leave the bag of poo on the side of the trial. Because what’s one bags of shit right? Look up the word leaching on your google. 

Never seen this before, but I do love kicking over stacked rocks when they aren't serving as cairns.  

It's trash and that is all it is!

ADAM GRANTwrote:

With this logic the trail you are walking on is trash. Left by your footprints. Better stay home from now on you wouldn’t want to desecrate the great outdoors with your personal impact.  

This is basically a variation of the “well don’t you drive to the crag, hypocrite?” comments that inevitably arise anytime there’s some sort of environmentalism-related thread on here. And it has precisely as much intellectual merit, too. Boring. 

Pnelsonwrote:

This is basically a variation of the “well don’t you drive to the crag, hypocrite?” comments that inevitably arise anytime there’s some sort of environmentalism-related thread on here. And it has precisely as much intellectual merit, too. Boring. 

Do you make a habit of not reading the entire thread before adding a comment?  

Mark Frumkinwrote:

It's trash and that is all it is!

I have a degree in Visual Art. That gives me license to declare it as such. Which I hereby do.

From this day forward, these painted rocks are declared to be art.

This thread is now closed.

ADAM GRANTwrote:

Do you make a habit of not reading the entire thread before adding a comment?  

Sadly, I read the whole thread. His comment is spot-on. Your argument is either disingenuous or intellectually lazy. You made a terrible analogy, were called out on it, then doubled-down on the terrible analogy.

Randywrote:

Eyesores, plain and simple. Right up there with trail "ducks" -- but at least they can be knocked down. Pack it in, pack it out and Leave No Trace.

Ducked rocks are cairns where I'm from.... do you not ever find cairns useful when youre in a rock sea above the treeline? or is a trail duck something else?

Alexander Blumwrote:

Sadly, I read the whole thread. His comment is spot-on. Your argument is either disingenuous or intellectually lazy. You made a terrible analogy, were called out on it, then doubled-down on the terrible analogy.

Oooh boy are we really going to run with this? Okay read the “double down” as you call it. I was thinking more of a debate exercise but okay. Prove it wrong.