Alright, spill the tea on CBD...

it helps my 16 yo dog.....

Matt Himmelsteinwrote:

I will tell you the same thing I say to anyone else that asks about wonder drugs.  If it works for you, it works for you.  Even if the only reason it works is the placebo effect, it still works.

As for the science of CBD, there isn't enough research to point conclusively that it does any of the things that proponents claim. Everything is just anecdotal evidence. There is research that CBD has certain medicinal properties, but where the rubber meets the road is dosing and delivery. Water is essential to life, but if you drink too much or try to breathe it, you will die. Most of the research I have seen on CBD is that for it to have the medicinal properties that are claimed, you need to take in way more than what most people who claim the benefits are taking.

The thing is, I think the quality control on potency is pretty unreliable. 

Matt Himmelsteinwrote: Most of the research I have seen on CBD is that for it to have the medicinal properties that are claimed, you need to take in way more than what most people who claim the benefits are taking.

I have seen the same things said regarding the need to take huge doses, but only in reference to having CBD reduce anxiety.  My speculation is that CBD is only very mildly psychoactive/mood-altering, and thus to get any mood-altering effect, just like any rational person would expect, a lot of CBD is needed.  I have not seen the same claims, or for that matter any claims, which say that to reduce inflammation a similarly high dose is needed.  Instead I have not seen any research regarding dosage size needed to reduce inflammation, likely because there is no financial incentive to do so since CBD cannot be patented.

As a anti-inflammatory for sore joints, soft tissue, etc I feel that its performance is marginal at best.  Compared to other natural anti-inflammatories like Tumeric or omega 3 oils, definitely not worth the price.  For neurological disorders-  seizures, neurogenic pain, and insomnia - it seems to perform much better for folks and might be worth looking into.  

Tried various products from pill form to salves. Absolutely zero effect other than thinning my wallet. Volteran is the way to go.

JNEwrote:

Instead I have not seen any research regarding dosage size needed to reduce inflammation, likely because there is no financial incentive to do so since CBD cannot be patented.

Financial incentive?  There are lots of non-patentable things out there where people research in order to, you know, advance science and help people.  Plus, if there really were a good mechanism for CBD to do what folks think it does in regard to inflammation, then some company would produce some sort of research and use that to promote Dr. Piggly Wiggly's CBD Cream and Ointment.  Supplements and other things are a multi-billion dollar industry.  The difference with pharmaceuticals is that drug companies have to produce research to prove their claims, while supplements do not as long as the claims are semi-vague.

Crimpalotwrote:

Tried various products from pill form to salves. Absolutely zero effect other than thinning my wallet. Volteran is the way to go.

Although, I've had some luck with both topical and oral CBD, I highly recommend Volteran as well.  That stuff is the best.

I don't know whether to believe in the miraculous effects of CBD products or even a placebo effect, but it helps me with my knee pain.

I got about a half pallets worth of CBD seltzers that never got a dose of CBD. I give them to my wife, and let her think they are the same as what you find on the shelf. She says they help her relax, which is enough to sell me on the placebo effect 

I am not a doctor, but I can tell you that you can use CBD for medical purposes. A lot of doctors recommend their patients CBD oil to help them deal with depression, anxiety, or sleep problems. So if you have some of these problems, you can use some CBD products. But before purchasing anything, discuss this with your doctor. For instance, when I first used CBD, I spoke with a friend who works for the Toronto Dispensary near me to understand the effects CBD has on our bodies. It just made me feel better.

Daniel Chode Riderwrote:

Skip the CBD and go straight to vodka.

Do not climb drunk. You will die.

Cbd is snake oil

Tinnitus is almost gone. 3 weeks in. NED brand.

Kristian Solemwrote:

Tinnitus is almost gone. 3 weeks in. NED brand.

Interesting. I have tinnitus from irresponsible noise exposure over the years. While your scale may be different than mine, how bad (1-10; 10 is worst) was yours prior to using CBD?

ETA: Also, how do you apply it and which version/product do you use? Feel free to PM me if you’d prefer. Thanks!

Michael Anthonywrote:

Interesting. I have tinnitus from irresponsible noise exposure over the years. While your scale may be different than mine, how bad (1-10; 10 is worst) was yours prior to using CBD?

ETA: Also, how do you apply it and which version/product do you use? Feel free to PM me if you’d prefer. Thanks!

I blame 20 years in recording studios. The intensity has varied a lot. I'd say it wandered around from 2 to about 6 (10 being put a bullet in your brain intolerable). Up at 6 or whatever it was no fun to try to listen to music anymore, and I'm a music nut with high end gear.

For the last week it's been mostly 1 or two, with a few periods of 0. We'll see how it goes, it's a short period of time, but quite a relief.

I'm taking Ned brand daily capsules, 2 in the AM, 1 before bed...

Ted Pinsonwrote: Does it work?  Does it help?  I keep seeing climbers pick up these endorsements and even TC says he’s using it so I figured it might be worth looking into, but the research is still pretty inconclusive.  I’m getting up there (37) and definitely have my fair share of climbing related aches and pains, so the promise of faster/better recovery is definitely tempting.  Has anyone tried it and noticed an appreciable difference?

At this point, there's enough clinical evidence that I think we can conclusively say that CBD does nothing for most forms of pain. Are you supplementing protein? Turmeric? Omegas? Probiotics? Given there are like 10 different things that actually work which you probably aren't doing, CBD is not the thing I'd try.

The only thing there's strong evidence for with CBD is treatment of some seizure disorders. There are studies showing it works for a few other things, probably most notably anxiety, but these haven't been reproduced to my knowledge, and the effect sizes are small enough that it's probably not notable even if it is true.

Kristian Solemwrote:

I blame 20 years in recording studios. The intensity has varied a lot. I'd say it wandered around from 2 to about 6 (10 being put a bullet in your brain intolerable). Up at 6 or whatever it was no fun to try to listen to music anymore, and I'm a music nut with high end gear.

For the last week it's been mostly 1 or two, with a few periods of 0. We'll see how it goes, it's a short period of time, but quite a relief.

I'm taking Ned brand daily capsules, 2 in the AM, 1 before bed...

Thanks for sharing. Similar boat here but from performing without earplugs as opposed to studio work (I do greatly miss the studio though).

I may very well pick those up and give them a shot. I’m in a new band but even with ear protection, I’m not sure I’m up for more damage. 

Ted Pinsonwrote: Does it work?  Does it help?  I keep seeing climbers pick up these endorsements and even TC says he’s using it so I figured it might be worth looking into, but the research is still pretty inconclusive.  I’m getting up there (37) and definitely have my fair share of climbing related aches and pains, so the promise of faster/better recovery is definitely tempting.  Has anyone tried it and noticed an appreciable difference?

I definitely noticed faster recovery taking oral CBD drops in a low dosage. It was almost scary. I could climb harder, more often, with less soreness. I wasn't sure if I was actually recovering faster or just not feeling the pain. I had to stop taking CBDs though because they caused noticeable mental fuzziness / slower mental processing. Some day when I care more about climbing than working, I will try them again. 

L Kapwrote:

I definitely noticed faster recovery taking oral CBD drops in a low dosage. It was almost scary. I could climb harder, more often, with less soreness. I wasn't sure if I was actually recovering faster or just not feeling the pain. I had to stop taking CBDs though because they caused noticeable mental fuzziness / slower mental processing. Some day when I care more about climbing than working, I will try them again. 

That sounds like the "CBD" you were taking might have contained some THC. Given the poor quality control on many CBD sources, this is not uncommon.

I used to just rest after injuries and after a period of time the aches disappeared. Now I use cbd and after a period of time the aches go away. So there you go, conclusive evidence.