Shits we judge other climbers for

Zach Dwrote:

Video recording anything V2 and under gets me pretty judgey. I can't climb hard either, I just know nobody wants to see it on tape.  

Anyone still using video tape

How are we on the third page already... And nobody has said: bouldering with a harness on. 

There, I said it ;)

Joey Frechettewrote:

Anyone still using video tape

Yeah, but mine is Betamax!

Yoda Jedi Knightwrote:

The problem isn't judging people. Making judgements is a normal and essential part of interpreting the world around you. The problem is letting those judgements dictate your actions without recognizing that the information you have is limited. Next thing you know, you're starting threads on MP about the shirtless beanie bro with his oversized solutions over socks with the price tags still on his BD pants and all you hear is blasting house music while his friends are all yelling "come on dude, you got this bro!" and...wait what was I saying?

Dudes with unpronounceable names that would high score bigtime if Scrabble wasn't so stupid about rules who post something about shirtless bros with oversized... and I'm all "ooo!" and ready to stuff my hand in the nearest pants then unpronounceable fvcks that up with some drivel about socks and pants ffs, dont get me going if you aren't gonna make the moves to send the job, nawmean? or I will most certainly judge you as disappointing, to say the least, and a cruel provocatuer of my saying way more than the least, and, AND, doing so in one longish sentence that will annoy the gramma police, if anyone actually cares.

TLDR?

I'm a badass old lady. Your problem. Not mine.

Old lady Hwrote:

Dudes with unpronounceable names that would high score bigtime if Scrabble wasn't so stupid about rules who post something about shirtless bros with oversized... and I'm all "ooo!" and ready to stuff my hand in the nearest pants then unpronounceable fvcks that up with some drivel about socks and pants ffs, dont get me going if you aren't gonna make the moves to send the job, nawmean? or I will most certainly judge you as disappointing, to say the least, and a cruel provocatuer of my saying way more than the least, and, AND, doing so in one longish sentence that will annoy the gramma police, if anyone actually cares.

TLDR?

I'm a badass old lady. Your problem. Not mine.

Sounds like you're drinking again, Helen. You can beat that problem, one day at a time.

People who are having less fun than me. Like, everybody knows the best climber is the one having the most fun, so I judge these sad sacks who clearly don't care about being the best.

But in all seriousness, that dude playing guitar, poorly, while his party gang topropes the best moderate at the cliff. You are what's wrong with climbing.

I feel bad saying this, but when I see a party of 8 carrying a cooler, all very out of shape, wearing their harnesses and all their gear in the parking lot, I start having negative thoughts.  I mean, it's a totally legit way to enjoy the outdoors, but I have this crusty view that climbing is for two people (or one person in certain cases) not an entire fraternity to hang hammocks at East Colfax and monopolize every climb there.

I also think it's really shitty when guiding companies take a large group to Animal World, Der Zerkle, Canal Zone or other super popular areas and take all the moderates.  I've never climbed Animation and I doubt I ever will since it's getting gangbanged every time I walk by it.

Been climbing over 30 yrs. Back in the day, nowhere was really crowded. Now I find FAs more interesting because I'm usually avoiding the loud folks. It was a big deal to be quiet and I wish it was still. I try to talk w young folks I meet and i always mention how cool it is that they're not making a lot of racket. Judgement? Yeah I do it and it usually doesn't go well.

ErikaNWwrote:

I spend so much energy on self-judgment that I have very little left for judging others.

It really do be like that tho

Old lady Hwrote:

Dudes with unpronounceable < Szwejkowski > names.

I just realized how much I judge people who pass the blame for their inability to do something quite easy to others instead of recognizing their own ignorance.

amariuswrote:

I just realized how much I judge people who pass the blame for their inability to do something quite easy to others instead of recognizing their own ignorance.

With your last name, I can see how you accumulated a large amount of judge-y resentment on this subject. :)

John RBwrote:

I feel bad saying this, but when I see a party of 8 carrying a cooler, all very out of shape, wearing their harnesses and all their gear in the parking lot, I start having negative thoughts.  I mean, it's a totally legit way to enjoy the outdoors, but I have this crusty view that climbing is for two people (or one person in certain cases) not an entire fraternity to hang hammocks at East Colfax and monopolize every climb there.

I also think it's really shitty when guiding companies take a large group to Animal World, Der Zerkle, Canal Zone or other super popular areas and take all the moderates.  I've never climbed Animation and I doubt I ever will since it's getting gangbanged every time I walk by it.

FYI, New Hampshire is the home of donning the parking lot harness. Out there it means you’re a hardman not a Gumby.... tricky tricky

Parking lot harness is nothing....but no excuse for the parking lot crampons.  Quite common to wonder as you walk the trail to look down and wonder “WTF, who put their crampons on here?!?”

John RBwrote:

I feel bad saying this, but when I see a party of 8 carrying a cooler, all very out of shape, wearing their harnesses and all their gear in the parking lot, I start having negative thoughts.  I mean, it's a totally legit way to enjoy the outdoors, but I have this crusty view that climbing is for two people (or one person in certain cases) not an entire fraternity to hang hammocks at East Colfax and monopolize every climb there.

I also think it's really shitty when guiding companies take a large group to Animal World, Der Zerkle, Canal Zone or other super popular areas and take all the moderates.  I've never climbed Animation and I doubt I ever will since it's getting gangbanged every time I walk by it.

You are being noble but, Nope. At some point there is simply a right and wrong way. The large parties, the ropeganging a wall for hours on end, blutooth speakers, poop and trash... there’s a reason the AF had to come up with the “PACT.” Because people are being selfish and inconsiderate. It’s undeniable that some of the “community” is failing at the most basic principles of etiquette and style. Perhaps it’s time to stop being so benevolent. Maybe we have to take a page from the surfers’ playbook... 

Edit: harnesses on in the parking lot, etc. aren’t the trivialities that get me hot and bothered. But let’s face it...

Anyways. Big groups = STOP

Edit#2: I avoided this thread because of the toxic topic, plus I don’t understand why “shits” is plural. But maybe we can polish this turd into a useful PSA.

Guys & gals - you know we're building something great here. We're building the perfect, un-judgeable climber.

At the end, after 10-11 pages, we can tally up everything, build a profile and then we can all strive to be that uber-climber. It'll be great I promise.

We're making climbing great again!

I judge people who can't find anything in the world to talk about other than other people!!! 

If you are so dim witted that nothing arrives in your brain other than other people and their affairs, then you need to be judged. Read a book, listen to a podcast, take up a hobby, learn something new about the world, and stop focusing on other people. That's the most annoying thing anyone can do in any situation.

As for climbers specifically...

I judge newbs who stick clip the first bolt, then fall, the pull the rope because they were back clipped, but dont re stickclip, then try again and deck.

Also, people who need to share their entire climbing day with everyone they come across that evening. You all, get your highlight reel game together! An extension to this one is, when someone asks you what you climbed JUST so they have an excuse to talk about their climbs. 

Here's a challenge to all of MP: ask people what they climbed, and listen intently, and never once mention anything about your day until you are asked directly. Chances are, you won't be talking about your day.

Saw a guy whip out his phone and put in a redpoint tick before he even untied....priorities?

Dustin Helmerwrote:

Saw a guy whip out his phone and put in a redpoint tick before he even untied....priorities?

Seen this  more than once. On the other hand I rarely record what I've climbed. Sometimes I get on a route  and I feel this is really familiar and realize that maybe I climbed it 10 or 20 years ago. I think that's what they call a gray point.

I totally wear my harness in the parking lot and I ain't stopping!

I have my harness on right now, here in my living room. And speaking of shits, its early morning here and I've already had a cup of coffee, so of course I am wearing my mountaineering drop-seat harness ;)