Black Diamond makes tear gas and other lethal equipment?!! Whaaaat?

M Mobleywrote: When the owners of a company I (used to) buy from profit off of tear gassing fellow citizens I stop buying from them. BD is fucked.

When fellow citizens start commiting armed robbery on the interstate and burning down their cities I quit caring about them. 

I worked with a former Marine mountain instructor from Pickle Meadows. In the mid 90's he said they were still using Hexes and Pins for training.

BD is cancelled... MP you’re on notice, unless you cut all ties with BD, and make sure to deactivate any climbers who are police, friends of police, or are the family of police you’re next!

https://helixtactical.com/Products/Protection  looks like military Dragon cams. 

Jack Painwrote:

When fellow citizens start commiting armed robbery on the interstate and burning down their cities I quit caring about them. 

Who are you talking about Jack?  

I can honestly say I never cared about thieves or arsonists....Not sure what your point is

Ryan M Moorewrote: BD is cancelled... MP you’re on notice, unless you cut all ties with BD, and make sure to deactivate any climbers who are police, friends of police, or are the family of police you’re next!

I wash a lot of windows for military and police personnel.
Does that mean I'm next?
I am all for peaceful protest, but there are quite a few JERKS out there that take advantage of the peaceful protest for their
own selfish violent reasons.

Wasn't the government working on some kind of sonic weapon that would make people violently ill or a microwave weapon that would make it feel like they were burning up if they
stepped into the area protected by the weapon?

Taylor Brooks wrote:

Your tax dollars are funding wars, killing civilians, buying the tears gas, rubber (and real) bullets, and hiring the thugs who use them here and abroad.

...and I vote accordingly.

Also, I’m currently below the poverty line so technically I’m actually taking away money from the pot from a nuanced federal tax perspective. Sooooo, I win?

You’ll be right in a few months when I start working again though, huzzah! 

Taylor Brooks wrote:

Your tax dollars are funding wars, killing civilians, buying the tears gas, rubber (and real) bullets, and hiring the thugs who use them here and abroad.

Over 15% of your taxes go to US military, less than 1% towards energy and environmental development/research. Around 6% just to govt debt that only seems to grow. The rest, well you can look that up if anyone is interested. Not really sure what not buying a cam will do when you’re funding all these companies directly through your tax dollars. Hakuna matata? Probably wrong reference.

Fernando Calwrote:

Over 15% of your taxes go to US military, less than 1% towards energy and environmental development/research. Around 6% just to govt debt that only seems to grow. The rest, well you can look that up if anyone is interested. Not really sure what not buying a cam will do when you’re funding all these companies directly through your tax dollars. Hakuna matata? Probably wrong reference.

The ocean already has a bunch of plastic in it, so me throwing my empty chip bag really won’t matter. 

Jack Painwrote:

When fellow citizens start commiting armed robbery on the interstate and burning down their cities I quit caring about them. 

Gonna point out how this statement,  while on face value relatively non-controversial, is actually a prime example in a nutshell of the underlying problem in America - fundamental stupidity.   

• Note how it ascribes the actions of a few to the many (like hating all dogs cuz one bit him, or a wild pack in the woods ate his cat, so F dogs)
• Fails to recognize the fact, based on arrest records, video, and investigations, that the mayhem was perpetrated by an amalgamation of dumbasses mostly between 16-22 yrs old, black, white, far right, far left, and just local knuckleheads.   America has a pretty diverse group of Dipshits.
• Also, based on video and investigations, there was a significant amount of police wrongdoing captured.  Did you make the same leap and stop caring about cops ?   That’d be just as stupid. 

Bottom line, the choosing up of simplistic “sides” is the mark of obtuseness.   There is only one side to be on - the side that is against dangerous stupidity - be it protesters or police.  Don’t throw the baby out with the bath water (not only stupid, but illegal by the way).   An intelligent person can fully support BLM and support good police, and not stop caring about either.  The future of your country pretty much depends on it not being seen as either/ or

Sorry to jump on you, but with multiple spinning quarters in the air, it always amazes me when people only choose to see the “heads” on one side and “tails” on the other and just ignore the underlying reality.   The “Truth” is almost always somewhere in between.

Pepe LePoseurwrote:

Gonna point out how this statement,  while on face value relatively non-controversial, is actually a prime example in a nutshell of the underlying problem in America - fundamental stupidity.   

• Note how it ascribes the actions of a few to the many (like hating all dogs cuz one bit him, or a wild pack in the woods ate his cat, so F dogs)
• Fails to recognize the fact, based on arrest records, video, and investigations, that the mayhem was perpetrated by an amalgamation of dumbasses mostly between 16-22 yrs old, black, white, far right, far left, and just local knuckleheads.   America has a pretty diverse group of Dipshits.
• Also, based on video and investigations, there was a significant amount of police wrongdoing captured.  Did you make the same leap and stop caring about cops ?   That’d be just as stupid. 

Bottom line, the choosing up of simplistic “sides” is the mark of obtuseness.   There is only one side to be on - the side that is against dangerous stupidity - be it protesters or police.  Don’t throw the baby out with the bath water (not only stupid, but illegal by the way).   An intelligent person can fully support BLM and support good police, and not stop caring about either.  The future of your country pretty much depends on it not being seen as either/ or

Sorry to jump on you, but with multiple spinning quarters in the air, it always amazes me when people only choose to see the “heads” on one side and “tails” on the other and just ignore the underlying reality.   The “Truth” is almost always somewhere in between.

Unfortunately the country has become a highly partisan bastion of one sided thinking. That and gullible consumers who dont give a flying fuck where their "stuff" comes from.

Tonight in Tulsa is going to show us all how well divided the country has become.

The Patagonia Do-Gooder Department has a long and storied history of getting out front of social, enviro and ethical issues well before the rest of corporate America. Over the years they've been praised, mocked, and pretty much everything in between. In some cases such as sustainability, they were among the principal pioneers of a movement that has only gotten stronger. They tend to put their money where their mouth is, as a rule, and are willing to forego some shorter term profits to achieve goals. They seem sometimes too quick to pull the trigger on some initiative, like firing all their ambassadors over participation in a movie promoting lawless activities in national parks, haha. But that is their prerogative. 

That said, we as consumers get to decide with every purchase what any of that means to us. I couldn't care less Patagonia is discontinuing pro deals for LE and paramilitary folk. I also don't care that Patagonia continues to sell gear to the U.S. military, understanding that these are two distinct selling channels each with their own nuance. 

There a lot of able Patagonia competitors that absolutely will pick up the slack to sell some pro deals into that user base, so nothing is really lost there. 

If brand disassociation is really the goal, doesn't making Patagonia tactical products for the battlefield kinda undermine that?

Strictly from my own POV, no. Battlefield products are not festooned with Patagonia logos, for starters. You wouldn't necessarily know a given military item was from Patagonia at all, just by looking at it.

The association I suspect they would wish to avoid: a riot going on somewhere and some LE or paramilitary guy wearing a logo'd Patagonia jacket is front and center on the evening news, shooting at people. Upon investigation it surfaces that the person in question had a Pro Deal from Patagonia. Lol that would not be good PR. Whereas supporting your country's military, well, is not the same thing at all.

To my thinking this is not all that different from firing brand ambassadors for participating in a movie that promoted lawless and frequently fatal activities in Yosemite. They did not want their logo associated with one of those sponsored athletes going splat on the evening news.

Of course I'm sure the Patagonia machine has other, perhaps more principled reasons for this as well. But I would not ignore the scenario I suggested above.

Arteryx, OR also make military clothing 

Well, guess I won’t buy from Patagonia ever again. Don’t support Military or Law Enforcement? No thank you! Arteryx and OR make as good if not better stuff anyway. 

I wonder if Patagonia has ongoing contracts already with the US Military that state they will supply for x amount of years of whatever. Not something you can just stop doing, while pro deals they can just stop at anytime at their discretion. 

Salamanizer Skiwrote:

Well, guess I won’t buy from Patagonia ever again. Don’t support Military or Law Enforcement? No thank you! Arteryx and OR make as good if not better stuff anyway. 

If you take a look around your house or apartment, you'll find a ton of  manufacturers that you can no longer buy from if you stick to this ideology. Everything from hard goods to clothing to food. And as pointed out in the post just above yours, Arcteryx and OR both supply the military.

Marc801 Cwrote:

If you take a look around your house or apartment, you'll find a ton of  manufacturers that you can no longer buy from if you stick to this ideology. Everything from hard goods to clothing to food. And as pointed out in the post just above yours, Arcteryx and OR both supply the military.

That’s my point. Don’t support the military or LEO, then I don’t support you. Lots of companies I won’t ever buy from again. Nike, Gillette, Dicks Sporting, and now Patagonia to name a few.

Salamanizer Skiwrote:

That’s my point. Don’t support the military or LEO, then I don’t support you. Lots of companies I won’t ever buy from again. Nike, Gillette, Dicks Sporting, and now Patagonia to name a few.

do you really think that losing prodeal privileges equates to not supporting the military? using that logic, does that also mean all the organizations who don't currently receive prodeals are also not supported by patagonia?

curt86irocwrote:

do you really think that losing prodeal privileges equates to not supporting the military? using that logic, does that also mean all the organizations who don't currently receive prodeals are not supported by patagonia?

Yes. They do not want to be associated with military or law enforcement because of the current environment caused by the minority left wing extremists. So they withdrew their support in the form of pro deals and contracts instead of supporting them by putting themselves front and center, outfitting our countries best with their products. They caved to the political pressure from the radical left communists who I adamantly oppose. So to hell with them.