Thoughts on tresspassing

The bottom line is that some people buy property in the outdoors because they just don't like having other people around.  You can decide to respect or ignore "No Trespassing" signs, but the people who bought the property in the interest of seclusion aren't going to be happy about you being there.

Allen Sanderson wrote:

True, I did not say they keep people out. But when it does help come time to call the Sheriff it does make it easier.

True. Although I find walking up strapped with a .45 does wonders for how someone responds to you. I have been told to fuck off. That's when I started strappin!

I own both sides of a very popular fishing creek. Only a few hundred yards but it is on my property. Both sides NF beyond my place. Fences are up, signs as well. A couple of polite signs asking people to respect access if they already walked by the no trespassing signs.
 
Still had people up to the house. " I just wanted to get some water ", " I just wanted to get a closer look". Cool with the water thing I guess but think you could figure that out before you get to fishing.
I could totally block it off if I desired but people fishing through there doesn't bother me. Coming up to the house does.
Honestly, would you drive into a strange neighborhood and just start walking around someone's yard? Walk into someone's apt?  Not you per se Allen but anyone. Talk about a way to get shot!
I've had hunters sitting in my backyard. Fuck that. If you wanted to hunt or fish here you should have bought the property.  People throwing flies at fish is one thing, high powered rifles and glassing the ridge across the way from my backyard is another.

I do believe if no other access is available to public land then access should be granted. In my case you can access public land just a few hundred yards on either side, yet people still walk right through.

All I'm going to say is Allemansrätt. 

Mike Mu. wrote: His neighbors must have all been East coast transplants. 

Thought that too. It says Santa Fe on his bio and I know from living there that could easily be true. CO too of course.

Bill Czajkowski wrote: Outside has some of the most biased, and oblivious, writers that I've ever encountered in anything other than propaganda. I quit reading all of their publications because it was so bad.

It can be entertaining though. Weak articles like this one just back it up. 

I can assume the fresh young doctor thought his new 500k house at the base of the million+ dollar houses thought he had an in with his neighbors without meeting them first.

Thanks google news!

Bale wrote: I was told that if (when) someone builds between me and the Forest, they are required to leave some kind of access trail through their property, but idk if that’s true.

For this to be true, a right-of-way must exist and be recorded at the Registry of Deeds (located in some government building in the town that is the County Seat).

It sounds like it should be difficult to check such things - ought to require a law degree or some such.  In fact, it's quite easy to do - with some help from the little old ladies that typically work there, you can teach yourself how in a couple of hours.  I'm amazed that only a tiny number of people ever do this, even for the property they own. (Wouldn't you like to know what legal rights-of-way exist on your land?)

This is of course also the place to find deeds, which describe the exact bounds of a piece of property.  Sometimes these are hard to pin down exactly "in the field", but often they are easy.  You typically don't need a surveyor (and his charges) to determine whose property a path or other feature is on.

This is also where you find just who legally owns a property parcel, when he bought it, what he paid for it, how much the taxes are, etc. etc.

Note that these are all public records, which all citizens have the right to access.

As an avid BASE jumper I'm an avid trespasser. All I'm doing is borrowing a little altitude.

Even Outside magazine has joined the troll competition!

Whisk3rzz z wrote:

I think you misspelled "conquest". If you don't think conquest of the past is legitimate than virtually every nation on the planet (including all skin colors buddy) is an illegitimate nation. As an Alaskan native who's ancestors had to suffer through it, i'm still sick of hearing people like you whine about conquest in days of old. 

Woke White people complaining about their ancestors stealing land all while living on the stolen land.. yet they never do anything to return it and love buying their own portion.

Most of my native friends get called race traitors by white people when they don’t share this viewpoint. Alternatively they tell people who are mixed that they “Aren’t Native enough” to have an opinion. 

Waste of my time reading that article. The author seems to not understand the words “private property”.

Miami Vegas wrote:

it's a part of an ongoing system that keeps peoplein misery my man, people from all walks of life.

and yea, people sometimes say and do stupid and racist things, confused groupthinking simps especially. i'm sorry your friends had to deal with that. doesn't invalidate the reality of the situation.

i very much agree that woke white people should do more to put their money where their mouths are

anyways, trespass, be gay, do crime, eat hot chip etc.

you completely ignored my point. Your classification of the USA being founded on "trespassing" suggests you don't agree with the legitimacy of how it was formed. Therfore, by your logic, we should only respect nations that came about from land being purchased with zero bloodshed. can you find me a single nation that has zero conquest in it's history, ever? Start searching.

Artem Vasilyev wrote:

It's interesting that an overwhelming amount of landowners in the U.S. are white european descendants. Their ancestors must have just worked reaaaalllly really hard (obviously much harder then the black Americans) so they definitely deserve to own it via birthright and holding capital. Which was, in no way, acquired by ill means. You'd be a whiner to suggest otherwise, right?

of course there's a racial disparity stemming from slavery and such. I'm not saying anyone does or doesn't deserve the land- I'm saying america wasn't founded any differently than any other country that has been around for more than 200 years or so and thus saying it was founded on "trespassing" is pretty smallbrained 

Whisk3rzz z wrote:

you completely ignored my point. Your classification of the USA being founded on "trespassing" suggests you don't agree with the legitimacy of how it was formed. Therfore, by your logic, we should only respect nations that came about from land being purchased with zero bloodshed. can you find me a single nation that has zero conquest in it's history, ever? Start searching.

I think YOU missed the point.  You can acknowledge and recognize the errors of the past to help better the future without fretting about respect and legitimacy.   

It’s as simple as saying “yeah, that was some bullshit....”

Those that get worked into a lather upon any recognition of past errors are likely the same ones who’d whine loudest if the same principles were applied to them.   

3AxisCtrl wrote:

For this to be true, a right-of-way must exist and be recorded at the Registry of Deeds (located in some government building in the town that is the County Seat).

It sounds like it should be difficult to check such things - ought to require a law degree or some such.  In fact, it's quite easy to do - with some help from the little old ladies that typically work there, you can teach yourself how in a couple of hours.  I'm amazed that only a tiny number of people ever do this, even for the property they own. (Wouldn't you like to know what legal rights-of-way exist on your land?)

This is of course also the place to find deeds, which describe the exact bounds of a piece of property.  Sometimes these are hard to pin down exactly "in the field", but often they are easy.  You typically don't need a surveyor (and his charges) to determine whose property a path or other feature is on.

This is also where you find just who legally owns a property parcel, when he bought it, what he paid for it, how much the taxes are, etc. etc.

Note that these are all public records, which all citizens have the right to access.

Thanks 3Axis! My wife says it’s spelled out in our CC&Rs, but I’d like to find out more directly from the county. No big deal if we get a neighbor above us that doesn’t allow passage, we have other access on county roads. It’s just sweet to shortcut right to NF:)

Bill Czajkowski wrote: Outside has some of the most biased, and oblivious, writers that I've ever encountered in anything other than propaganda. I quit reading all of their publications because it was so bad.

It used to be good BITD but not for the past 20 years. I call it outhouse magazine cause it best used in the outhouse.

Artem Vasilyev wrote:

I think that they were more interested in highlighting the massive genocide and slavery used by white Americans to acquire their land as a way to poke fun at the abstract concept of ownership (which is something that we pretend is a hard, objective truth). I.e. I think it's a fair point and it's that its funny that him making this point upsets you. 

Not all white people rollled in and got free land or were piggybacking on Genocide-slavery. Not all slaves were black/slave owners white (in world history)

Almost all cultures in time fought over land/resources. It doesn’t make it right/wrong it just makes it a fact of life. Focus on stopping the current/future suffering that your lifestyle creates instead of complaining about old shit. 
People concentrate way to much on skin color/religion/etc. everyone’s ancestors took resources to survive at some point and we all partake in the benefits of human abuse and blaming “white people” doesn’t actually solve anything. 
My native blood came from a 1st generation immigrant who ran to live with the Lenape, my Germany ancestors snuck here with nothing to fight the Nazis and in return they got Spit on by people here at the end of it. They were peasants from what became Eastern Germany. That doesn’t sound like the white people who took advantage of genocide.
You want to repay the Native community? Spend some time volunteering on a Reservation. Or help

a organization that helps the 1000’s of abused/missing native women. That is what actually helps 

In Vermont unless you properly post your land every year it is open to the public for outdoor recreation. 

Let's not get distracted from the core topic here: a very entitled person thought writing this article was a good idea. That's funny and we should laugh at it.

Four billion years old, this planet. Don't blink, or you'll miss the 'rightful owners'.

Just read the whole article; the author is clueless! There are quite a few ways you can nicely broach the topic with landowners if you want to recreate on private property, and this guy knows none of them. Yeah, selfish grumpy landowners who brag about owning guns are just insecure dicks (the same as most mountainprodgers who brag about owning guns). But seriously, the writer is a fitness-obsessed ER doc who just bought his own NFS-adjacent McMansion ($10 says he's from somewhere in the Northeast), and pushes the access issue when he gets caught by landowners. I'm going to go out on a limb and say that his attitude and the way he carries himself just MIGHT rub others the wrong way. The guy's a bliss ninny, and I can't fault his landowning neighbors in NM who don't want their homes to get Front Ranged.

Also, if the author pulled his head out of his ass just a bit, he'd have known and written about recreational use statutes that protect landowners from the very sorts of lawsuits he says they're all concerned about.