Anybody been climbing since the quarantine?

Seriously, what is so hard about not climbing for a few weeks?

Are you like a professional climber or guide in which your future livelihood depends on staying in peak shape and skill? If so, fine, I can see why it's necessary for you to do some occasional climbing,

For everyone else... show some maturity! The "sacrifice" we're making of temporarily halting our completely frivolous past-time is NOTHING compared to, say, the nurses and doctors who are pulling 20 hour shifts to keep people alive, or the truck drivers hauling groceries to our doorsteps.

Cosmiccragsman AKA Dwain wrote: Don't have to.
You've already said it.

I don't count, It's in the rulebook. Look it up.

Dave K wrote:

Accepting the reality that it will be much longer than a few weeks.

Here are the curves for California:

jon bernhard wrote: http://www.alpinist.com/doc/web20s/newsire-covid19-presumed-infectious-on-rock?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+alpinist%2FEFcn+%28Alpinist+Newswires%29

I hope you understand this article and impacts on others.

Note that there is a huge difference between being detectable and having enough live virus particles to infect a human. Its sort of like saying, yes its possible to get struck by lightning if you go outdoors enough. 

BeauB wrote: It's more like saying, "It's possible to get struck by lightning if your soaking wet, holding a long metal pole, and hanging out above tree line 24/7 in bad weather."

Both of your analogies are a form of a straw man however yours is likely the more accurate of the two.

BeauB wrote: It's more like saying, "It's possible to get struck by lightning if your soaking wet, holding a long metal pole, and hanging out above tree line 24/7 in bad weather."

Nah catching COVID-19 climbing outside is not nearly that likely. If you catch it climbing outside, its almost certainly from someone in your group that you shared a car ride with, or were within 6 feet of. Also if you are just cautious and only touch your face after cleaning your hands, the odds are likely astronomical. 

Marc801 C wrote:

Here are the curves for California:

As indicated on covid19.ca.gov, visiting public lands for outdoor recreation and maintaining 6 ft social distance is within compliance. So if all climbing occurs with members of the same household or solo then our community can still contribute to the "strict compliance" curve.

Regardless of how cute the instagram pics may be, we do not need to limit our climbing to kitchen baseboards and patio cinderblocks. This pandemic is a scary situation and we all feel helpless, and everyone is looking for anything they can do to help, but taking to MP forums and social media to become the climbing-quarantine-police is not going to solve this issue. 

I absolutely agree you SHOULD strictly comply to the guidelines. You have no business leaving your home city (especially to visit and patronize small communities like Bishop), or meeting up with your whole gym crew to project the local roadside boulders. These are clear violations of the Governor's order. BUT you better believe I'm going to solo that ridge climb I eye from my office every day!! My wife and I are definitely going to bushwhack our way down to send that 1 star multipitch 5.12 in the canyon across the highway from our neighborhood. And I'm sure as hell going to be trail-running my way down the list of my county's high points, skipping the ones with big parking lots and articles in the local hiking guidebooks.

As for the "medical resources" argument. According to the 2018 climbing-related injury report, in the 5 prior years there was an average of 252 ER visits per month, with 26 patients admitted each month for climbing-related injuries in the entire US. Many of these were associated with icy and snowy conditions, exceeding knowledge and abilities, getting off route, etc. If you read AAC's "accidents" you know what is risky so don't do those things... but go outside and be your damn mountain-climbing self!

I hope all those above mentioned climbing-quarantine-police appealing to this argument are eating cold food because ERs in the US face 70,000 visits per month associated with kitchen appliances.

Miles Malone wrote:

As indicated on covid19.ca.gov, visiting public lands for outdoor recreation and maintaining 6 ft social distance is within compliance. So if all climbing occurs with members of the same household or solo then our community can still contribute to the "strict compliance" curve.

Yep, our lockdown in VA allows exercise outside, so as far as we are concerned, our family climbing in an empty crag is allowed. If we see other people we pack up and go somewhere else or head home. 

FrankPS wrote:

I don't count, It's in the rulebook. Look it up.

LOLOLOL!!!!

At local spots that arent on MP yeah. With very few people. 

See a lot of people hiking or bike riding these days, and honestly with CA drivers thats way more dangerous. Its the reason I stopped trying to bike to work.

Careful with your MP ticks, the self imposed Gestapo are checking them and on some self righteous crusade is calling people out by name on the socal FB climbing page.  With his handy detective work he even knows who your partners are those days haha.  To be honest, this tattle tale mentality has to end, the mandate doesn't even forbid outdoor recreation.  If you have a moral stance, great you don't have to participate. 

Ryan U. wrote: Careful with your MP ticks, the self imposed Gestapo are checking them and on some self righteous crusade is calling people out by name on the socal FB climbing page.  With his handy detective work he even knows who your partners are those days haha.  To be honest, this tattle tale mentality has to end, the mandate doesn't even forbid outdoor recreation.  If you have a moral stance, great you don't have to participate. 

If the children cant play with their toys becasue they're too far away, THEN NEITHER CAN YOU!

That's my take away from all the bitching. It's only-child syndrome; those who cant stand that someone else can do it the right way, when they themselves cant, means they dont think anyone should be allowed.

I've been getting out. Backwoods of Daniel Boone National Forest. I don't pass through any small towns. No one else out there. Forest service roads that go on forever. Rock for miles. Good stuff.

Sandymalone88 wrote: I've been getting out. Backwoods of Daniel Boone National Forest. I don't pass through any small towns. No one else out there. Forest service roads that go on forever. Rock for miles. Good stuff.

Yeah, but since I cant, I'm going to call you names and cry about it on the internet, and maybe even drive around looking for you so I can slash your tires. Fcking, bad words that are meant to hurt your feelings, because you get to go out into the woods and avoid people all together, and i cant! Mmmmmm, sad face.

I hope all those above mentioned climbing-quarantine-police appealing to this argument are eating cold food because ERs in the US face 70,000 visits per month associated with kitchen appliances.

Eating heated and prepared food is WAY more essential and necessary to life than climbing is. So therefore it can be tolerated more.

Unless you live at the bottom of a cliff and the grocery store is on top, or if your future livelihood depends on climbing, there is zero reason to be climbing right now.

Conway Yao wrote:

Eating heated and prepared food is WAY more essential and necessary to life than climbing is. So therefore it can be tolerated more.

Unless you live at the bottom of a cliff and the grocery store is on top, or if your future livelihood depends on climbing, there is zero reason to be climbing right now.

Brahjirahji, appliances are so luxury! You are willing to heat your food with your appliance, AND wash your clothes with AN APPLIANCE!...  Dude, you're a cherry picker...

Yes.

I haven’t been climbing, but have gone off road the past couple weekends. Pulled off in a little clearing and had a little mountain picnic with the lady (same household). A few trucks drove by but we were effectively alone. This past weekend, we pulled off the side of the PCH a bit south of Santa Barbara and had a beachside/roadside picnic. Had no cars or people within 30 feet on either side, so think technically we’re not assholes. 

I’d love to get on some walls but I’m trying to be responsible about limiting my exposure to others and others’ exposure to me. I don’t know any secret/secluded/personal spots though- If I did I’d probably have gone out a couple times by now.

Dave K wrote:

Calling this out specifically because it addresses the crux of the issue. But I don't see how you arrive at these monthly numbers through. Per the link:

A weighted-estimate 15,116 adult ED visits were associated with climbing-related injury. Patient age was 32.8±14.7 (mean±SD) (95% CI: 32.1-33.5) y, and 62% of patients were male. The majority of the injuries occurred in the Western census region (9593; 63%). Less than 1% of all climbing-related visits resulted in death. Only of injury severity score >15 was associated with death (P = 0.005). A total of 1610 (11%) of patients were admitted as inpatients. 

These totals are for a 5 year period (60 months)?

Oops yes dumb math for me. 252 ED visits per month.... the point is that all these self-appointed quarantine police witch-hunting climbers are grasping out of fear and helplessness for some sense of agency in this scary time. Their choice to target climbing specifically as a “drain on medical resources” has no basis and the post above saying that hot food is a necessity is bullshit... many weekends when I’m in the mountains I live off fruit nuts and cliff bars so maybe my total “potential drain on the medical system” is about balanced out as if I were at home chopping, frying, and boiling. Oh and besides kitchen appliances stairs are very dangerous, so if their bedroom is upstairs I sure hope they’re sleeping on the couch!!

jon bernhard wrote: http://www.alpinist.com/doc/web20s/newsire-covid19-presumed-infectious-on-rock?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+alpinist%2FEFcn+%28Alpinist+Newswires%29

I hope you understand this article and impacts on others.

While that is true, some of us are fortunate enough to live in areas that have isolated boulders that only a handful of people (read: close friends) even know about, let alone go to.