Collagen supplements

Long Ranger wrote:

You are right, I am wrong, and I apologize for the wrong information I have posted. I think when I was like, 6 I was told Jello was made of horse hooves, and like believing in the Easter Bunny, it's been a difficult lie to shake.

close, although horse hooves are more like hair and nails, (keratin) though the inner hoof does have bone also......gelatin is made with bones (collagen) from animals. i think theres not enough bone in hooves for them to use for gelatin, or you can bet they would be using them also....parts is parts   

Nick Drake wrote:

Thoughts on this excerpt? 

Thanks for the question. I like your analysis and explanation for why you argue against dietary collagen. In principle, I agree with everything you’ve said. There hasn’t been a trial comparing collagen to whey protein. We are doing that at the moment, but these studies are not easy. It is really hard to measure collagen synthesis in people.

The only data I know of as to why collagen might be useful compared to whey protein for connective tissue comes from Luc van Loon. He has found that when you take whey protein, glycine levels in the blood drop significantly, to the point that glycine (every third amino acid in collagen) could limit collagen synthesis. The data haven’t been published yet, but it is really interesting and suggests that having some glycine rich protein may be necessary for collagen synthesis. 

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Lol I was joking about being anything remotely close to an expert...but anyway there is almost no evidence whatsoever one way or the other. Our understanding of molecular biology (as a whole) has so many big blanks so if you are dead set on trying collagen supplement, that'd be the route I take. Mixing is not a bad idea because of the different AA profile in whey and collagen peptides. And 150mg of vit c can't kill ya. 

Mark E Dixon wrote:

If you add a scoop of whey protein to the collagen, aren't you basically doubling the cost for what are already questionable gains? 

You can do half and half? My point was only that mixing will give you a more complete AA profile, without having to spend a lot on the "supercharged" BS. 

An important point that I should make is that most of us in adulthood have some level of lactose sensitivity. An inflamed GI isn't going to absorb anything as well as a healthy one, so be kind to your loved ones/housemates/colleagues and get lactose free.

highaltitudeflatulentexpulsion wrote: Has it helped anyone with dry, flakey, or cracked skin. I've got some old man hands and feet, this is really what I hope these supplements help.

Try a lotion with 10% urea like ulactin 

Fan Yang wrote:

Lol I was joking about being anything remotely close to an expert...but anyway there is almost no evidence whatsoever one way or the other. Our understanding of molecular biology (as a whole) has so many big blanks so if you are dead set on trying collagen supplement, that'd be the route I take. Mixing is not a bad idea because of the different AA profile in whey and collagen peptides. And 150mg of vit c can't kill ya. 

Damnit I want answers! My thought process on the whole thing has been basically that by the time enough research has been done for us to think the science is settled I'll have arthritis and a beer gut that forces me to climb nothing but friction slab anyway. 

For whatever it’s worth (likely nothing but additional anecdotal fog), I add a collage peptide 1 & 3 supplement to a smoothie which I drink usually shortly before or after running/climbing. I’ve also got a plant based protein supplement that I put into the smoothie, along with Greek yogurt, strawberries, blueberries, a banana, some almond milk, and sometimes a bit of peanut butter.  

Been doing it for a couple months a few times a week (3-5 smoothies w/collagen per week) and my knees have been less sore than they used to be. Come to think of it, my knees are rarely sore anymore and my bad shoulders haven’t been hurting in months.

FWIW, Bulk Supplements has collagen for $21/500gm.

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Bump, anyone from this thread have any long term observations they can share? 

Im thinking of adding it for the coveted tendon strength/recovery claims.

What I've heard is that although collagen is important for tendon/tissue growth collagen supplementation hasn't been conclusively shown to increase the amount of the substance available to our cells. Like others in this thread I experimented with it for a while anyway because it is also a protein source and on a per gram of protein basis it costs about the same as other protein powders. Ultimately I stopped using it because I didn't feel like I was feeling any benefit in terms of tendon integrity and it turns out that protein from collagen is not nearly as effective from protein from whey.

Nick Drakewrote:

Keith Baar isn't trying to make money off of you

Nick, Dave goes over this study in his video @ around 15:18

Thanks fellas. Watched the vid and sounds like Dave is confident new conclusive research will be coming out. Aside from that seems like the consensus is "maybe, maybe not".

In the meantime I'm thinking a hangboard routine might be the best way to mitigate my weakling tendons. 

Increasing blood to tendons flow has nothing to do with collagen. You'd be better off with going to spa (hot and cold), or doing low intensity exercises.