Starring Routes

Should you be able to star a route if you didn't climb it clean or on lead? Also should there be a time allowance given for starring routes? For example, I know there are those out there that either TR'd a route (not clean) or get absolutely shut down and then give a one or two star rating on on a 3 or 4 star climb. You know who you are.

Why do you need to have led or even sent a route to have an opinion about how good it is? As long as you have climbed (TR or Lead) or have attempted to climb a route, you should have an idea of whether you like it or not. If you’ve not even been on a route then you have no business rating its quality.

csproul wrote: Why do you need to have led or even sent a route to have an opinion about how good it is? As long as you have climbed (TR or Lead) or have attempted to climb a route, you should have an idea of whether you like it or not. If you’ve not even been on a route then you have no business rating its quality.

but if you dont pull all of the moves than how can you REALLY know how good it is? If you got on it and didnt get it clean than tick it. Once you climb it clean then you can star it.

So to add what are your rules for starring routes. 

There has been a similar discussion about ticks.

Use stars and ticks any way you want. I agree if you didn't climb it, you shouldn't tick or star it.

But if you climbed it, no matter what the style (hangdogging, aiding, toproping), star it as you want.

who cares?

I rate everything a bomb so the gumbies stay away

Bigger issue is ticking a climb you didn’t do to pad your stats. Or ticking a stand start that doesn’t exist.

I think you can star a climb you’ve attempted, but some people are soft and give low stars because a hold is sharp or the moves are hard for the grade.

I only use the star rating to keep track of the climbs I've done clean. Tried to do the Tick list but I couldn't remember the when I did climbs decades ago so I abandoned that process. Personally I think you shouldn't comment or rate a climb unless you led it clean. 

Gumby the White wrote: Should you be able to star a route if you didn't climb it clean or on lead? Also should there be a time allowance given for starring routes? For example, I know there are those out there that either TR'd a route (not clean) or get absolutely shut down and then give a one or two star rating on on a 3 or 4 star climb. You know who you are.

I handled this one back in 2008.

​https://www.mountainproject.com/forum/topic/106310189/if-you-dont-send-can-you-star-rate-a-route​​​

Tradiban wrote:

I handled this one back in 2008.

https://www.mountainproject.com/forum/topic/106310189/if-you-dont-send-can-you-star-rate-a-route

A lot has changed since 08 old man....

Can I rate a restaurant on Yelp having not eaten everything on their menu?

Gumby the White wrote: Should you be able to star a route if you didn't climb it clean or on lead? 

There is the quality perception you get from having led a route, with all the additional complications that adds, and there is the quality perception you get when you second a route, when you get to appreciate the movement. 

One could argue that people who got scared leading a route, may downgrade the quality, while people who led something near their limit but got an onsight, may over-rate the quality because they are so chuffed about not falling. 
And then there are the many people staring routes they have led, even though they have led about 10 routes of that type in their life. One might just as easily propose a rule that you cannot star a route until you’ve led 284 routes on that type of rock at that grade of that type. 
So, no, I don't agree with you. No rules about who can or cannot star. 

I star routes that I feel are underappreciated because of early public opinion of them. some routes really clean up but get pushed to the way side because people see it being scary, dirty or not worth their time.

Chris Cragsocks wrote: Can I rate a restaurant on Yelp having not eaten everything on their menu?

Yeah, especially when you see them doing really nasty things like not cleaning anything, handling cash and food, being rude etc etc...

Trinity Robinson wrote:

what about we just get rid of star ratings to keep the grease off the classics

Jaron a wrote:I rate everything a bomb so the gumbies stay away

I only give stars to the easy ones so that all the 4 star hard ones even out to the one star easy ones.

Chris Cragsocks wrote: Can I rate a restaurant on Yelp having not eaten everything on their menu?

Not the same. If you TR’ed the start of the route, that’s like having a bit of your food. I never finish my dinner at a restaurant. The portions are too big, and I take the leftovers for later. Are you saying that I’m not allowed to rate the food I ate?

And seriously, who cares. Even if someone put a wildly inaccurate 1 star on a 4 star route, so what? If it is truly a 4 star route, there would be multiple other people marking it so — that’s why we have consensus ratings!  There would always be more people that climbed the entire route, compared to people who TR’ed the start. 
And you can look at the ratings and discount the opinions of anyone who hadn’t sent. But in most cases that I had seen, on routes with a lot of ratings, the people who have hangdogged or TR’ed the route generally give pretty similar star ratings to people who have sent. 

M Mobes wrote: I only give stars to the easy ones so that all the 4 star hard ones even out to the one star easy ones.

Pure garble

caughtinside wrote: Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. 

It’s a circus of values

Gumby the White wrote:

A lot has changed since 08 old man....

The only thing that has changed is that there's even more people who don't know bad climbing if it fell on top of their head and it sometimes does!