There is no excuse for posting a new route/boulder/area without a picture.

Shay Subramanian wrote:...If you add a climb and don't document it properly, you're not doing anyone a favor, you're just doing a shitty half-assed job. ...

See up thread. It happens, some people are OK with it, even like it. It does indeed do a “favor” to folks who are always looking for new lines to get on, and will happily receive minimal info (as opposed to none) towards that goal.

You are correct about the shitty half assed job, but sometimes that is all you get. I’m grateful for the breadcrumb and will look forward to finding the climb and improving the entry.

316 SS Wedgie wrote:...Congrats to those that maintain such dissonance that they consider the approach to an already climbed route adventure; your cognitive inabilities are beyond my grasp. ...

That is a mischaracteization. We simply are taking the stance that some info is better than none. If the shitty post never happens, we don’t find out about the line. If the shitty post happens, we find the line, have fun doing it (why not?), and likely will improve the post after we visit.

 If you don’t understand something, you’re welcome to ask. I’m pretty sure nobody likes shitty MP posts, but we’re not going after the poster in a negative way. We take it for what it is and do our best to enjoy the journey. I’m not sure why you take the tact you do, but I’m pretty sure you don’t understand why other people might be totally OK with something you have strong feeling against.

I find more success in life being grateful, curious, and productive. 

Bottom line, it’s been like this since the beginning, likely won’t change, and is not worth getting upset over.

they are very tiny rocks and you need a guide to be able to climb them??? 

if you can't boulder without a guide you might need a nanny. 

face it, the only legit reason for a bouldering guide is to spray about your supposed FA's but since they are tiny rocks you never really know  if you ae first . and they are  tiny little rocks... 

Nick Goldsmith wrote: face it, the only legit reason for a bouldering guide is to spray about your supposed FA's but since they are tiny rocks you never really know  if you ae first . and they are  tiny little rocks... 

What are you talking about?

Tim McGivern wrote:

Been here since the beginning.

Fixed it for you.

No, not "for me". It's not my opinion that a database is intended to be informative and accurate, it's a fact. Certain MP users enjoy using the database to advance their own agenda or spray about their accomplishments, that's a disservice to the database as a whole. If you're going to do something, add to the database, do it right with detail and pictures.

simple. bouldering is going  a place that has boulders and climbing them to practice for real climbing. Boulders are very small. If you can't figure out how to climb one without a guide with pictures and topos perhaps you should take up knitting.  its nice to have a data base that tells you where the boulders are but once you find them you just climb them. detailed guides only real purpose is to spray about what you just did... 

You've got a gps location of the rock. Good grief figure it out.

Edit. Think of how surprised you'll be when you get there. Could be cool......

Gumby the White wrote:

What are you talking about?

The usual garble spray, I believe. 

All the cool climbers give better details on the gram bro.

Nick Goldsmith wrote: Boulders are very small. 

Maybe in VT. You need to head west

Tim McGivern wrote:

See up thread. It happens, some people are OK with it, even like it. It does indeed do a “favor” to folks who are always looking for new lines to get on, and will happily receive minimal info (as opposed to none) towards that goal.

You are correct about the shitty half assed job, but sometimes that is all you get. I’m grateful for the breadcrumb and will look forward to finding the climb and improving the entry.

I mean I think we agree with each other. I'm not saying a shitty route on MP is worse than no route at all. We've all done some crap 1 star route with no photos and had it be a total blast. But the standard should be for well documented posts with photos attached, and there will inevitably be ones that slip through the cracks and the crowd can come together and improve the entry after. There should be a standard, though.

Nick Goldsmith wrote: simple. bouldering is going  a place that has boulders and climbing them to practice for real climbing. Boulders are very small. If you can't figure out how to climb one without a guide with pictures and topos perhaps you should take up knitting.  its nice to have a data base that tells you where the boulders are but once you find them you just climb them. detailed guides only real purpose is to spray about what you just did... 

Literally no one in the thread is asking for pictures of beta and topos. No one is talking about the actual climb. This thread is exclusively about the approach, aka finding the thing. I see people who agree in this thread who also really like adventurous climbing and sparse beta. You can like adventurous old-school climbing and still think a database should consist of complete information.

Leron wrote:We could even use the phones GPS to pinpoint the route we are on. 

Admittedly, the fact that you can't upload photos from the MP app is annoying. However, the MP app does have a feature that allows you to add locations of climbs using your phone's GPS.

Will O wrote: Admittedly, the fact that you can't upload photos from the MP app is annoying. However, the MP app does have a feature that allows you to add locations of climbs using your phone's GPS.

When I open an area in the app I see the routes that are already listed. I don't see a way to add a route from the app. I am aware you can add GPS locations to routes once online.  This is helpful but not great as sitting miles away and days later the marker often gets misplaced. If I am missing something I would be happy for some education as most of the areas I go to are outside of cell service.

Leron wrote:

When I open an area in the app I see the routes that are already listed. I don't see a way to add a route from the app. I am aware you can add GPS locations to routes once online.  This is helpful but not great as sitting miles away and days later the marker often gets misplaced. 

You're correct. Like photos, you can't add routes from the app. If you used a web browser on your phone (and had service), you could do both. This is frustrating because we can sync ticks/to-do's and you'd think it wouldn't be that much harder to sync new routes, photos, comments, and other uploads.  

However, for existing climbs you can add their location from the app using your phone's GPS. This feature is exclusive to the MP app, just pick the route you're below, scroll down to the location section and click on the rectangular image of a map that says "add location". As your phone's GPS works regardless of cell service, I imagine this feature does too. Obviously, this won't do you any good for routes that aren't recorded yet, but the feature exists and could be adapted in the future.

Yuri Rodea wrote:

Thats the most pretentious thing I've ever read on this forum. Grow up

I'm quite grown, thank you. I believe you have mis-read/mis-understood something I wrote. 

Dan Daugherty wrote:

Isn't taking a photo of the route and adding little tick marks on it for the bolts beta? People have suggest exactly that. I haven't heard anyone ask for turn by turn photos to get you there like you're implying by wanting photos of the approach and not the actual climb.

Like some others have stated, I get outside to get away from digital tech, not to bring that tech into the woods.

I do not consider taking a photo of the route and adding an overlay line/bolt x's to be "beta."  If "the adventure" of finding a route appeals to you, then feel free to leave your phone at home and go out armed only with map, sextant, and dowsing rod.

Dan Daugherty wrote:

Isn't taking a photo of the route and adding little tick marks on it for the bolts beta? People have suggest exactly that. I haven't heard anyone ask for turn by turn photos to get you there like you're implying by wanting photos of the approach and not the actual climb.

Like some others have stated, I get outside to get away from digital tech, not to bring that tech into the woods.

The thing that frustrates me is when people post a route or boulder in an area and the description is something like "Climb the face past some thin holds to a good rest, then fire it to the chains. Gear: bolts."

Its clearly at a sport crag, but there is no context. If no picture is added (not to mention more details such as the location relative to another route or conspicuous feature of the wall), then clearly the entry was just made so that people who know where the route is can tick it. An entry such as this does not help people locate the route, which is what I think Mt Project is best used for.

Im mostly talking about routes at single pitch crags or bouldering areas. Trust me, I appreciate the adventure of an alpine climb, or an obscure multipitch, but that is not what I am concerned about with respect to people writing terrible descriptions and not uploading photos. You crusty trad dads can leave your pitchforks at home this time.