Matthew Steins autopsy?

Does anyone know if Mat Stein had an autopsy? I didn't know Mat but he looked like a great guy to tie in with and a solid climber. He was super involved in health supplements and consuming your own collidal silver as a preventative measure. Evidently he was out toproping and all but died mid-pitch. The guy was still in good shape. I'm wondering if that's what took him out or if any of that got parsed out and the reason for his death found.

​https://www.sierrasun.com/news/obituaries/matthew-i-stein/​​​

Billcoe wrote:
He was super involved in health supplements and consuming your own collidal silver as a preventative measure. 

what sort of colloidal silver doses was he taking? That can cause kidney damage + seizures + interact with other drugs. 

If he was the sort of person dosing himself with that, god knows what other weird stuff he was taking... 

I interpreted that as meaning that he was making his own colloidal suspensions of silver.  

scottthelen wrote: Brain bleed
He was a great guy I think of him often 

Isn't a "brain bleed" the same as a stroke?

scottthelen wrote: Sure whatever
You guys can put the tin hats on

What does that mean?

FrankPS wrote:

Isn't a "brain bleed" the same as a stroke?

No.

Brain bleed = "cerebral hemorrhage" - opening in arterial wall - blood flows out into surrounding tissues
Stroke = blood clot in a cerebral artery that blocks blood flow

Clint Cummins wrote:

No.

Brain bleed = "cerebral hemorrhage" - opening in arterial wall - blood flows out into surrounding tissues
Stroke = blood clot in a cerebral artery that blocks blood flow

 https://g.co/kgs/RMn54r

It's my understanding there are two types of stroke -hemorrhagic and ischemic.

https://www.stroke.org/en/about-stroke

Edit: A cerebral hemorrhage is a stroke.

Thanks Scotthelen.

I can't speak to what Matt was using for supplements but that's what I was curious about.  As climbers, a lot of us take a lot of things hoping that it makes up climb better or aches pains and inflamations go away. Some is pretty commonly accepted. Some do Ibuprofen before and after climbs, Glucosamine for joint pain, we eat Endurox pills to help from cramping, Milkthisle capsules, Tumeric, Asprin, the list of supplements and vitamins is extensive, etc etc, etc etc. It's possible that many of the combinations we eat have never been tested in combination and might even be hurtful.  Matt appeared to have researched a lot of that stuff and had what the felt was working for him going. Mat had published books (Amazon still has) and articles. Here's a link to a bunch of well written articles he wrote that were published on Huffington Post:

https://www.huffpost.com/author/matthew-stein

Here's one article in particular discussing superbugs and things that can be utilized to fight them. In response to your question Dylan B, he discusses collidal silver in particular and it's bacteria fighting properties: https://www.huffpost.com/entry/when-a-super-bug-strikes_b_192543?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuaHVmZnBvc3QuY29tL2F1dGhvci9tYXR0aGV3LXN0ZWlu&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAABIuQjVLvGF9srfopBS9D4F7QmoS7qfGTiVIpHLhDFHaASCfEOkUasyVLgKiu12xKGDwX3LfhEjepsBQxrGS8NMx7PWKQcGghd4naWkRbp4zoTJdZMRYbzKKignUEQHo9fz3ryjThyIuX4oTeJjJgyBZv08TLDUDnbcoeNoLUqQO

The person Mat references discussing his Silver solution: https://www.naturalnews.com/013028_colloidal_silver_AGX32.html

..and another scientists complaint about the "quakery" Huffpo was promoting from Mat and others:
https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/the-huffington-posts-war-on-science-revisited/

For myself, I recently saw a cream containing silver stop a huge infections on my moms legs, it unquestionably saved her life. There's a lot of things we don't know at this time. I appreciated Mats passion and knowledge on this stuff and will keep that idea of collida silver ability to kill flu on tap for the future, but wonder if he might have hit a bad combo of supplements. 

If you’re taking colloidal silver, you’re basically committing suicide, slowly. 

Marc801 C wrote: If you’re taking colloidal silver, you’re basically committing suicide, slowly. 

But that's not what the artical I linked says, it's the opposite.

Billcoe wrote:
For myself, I recently saw a cream containing silver stop a huge infections on my moms legs, it unquestionably saved her life. There's a lot of things we don't know at this time. I appreciated Mats passion and knowledge on this stuff and will keep that idea of collida silver ability to kill flu on tap for the future, but wonder if he might have hit a bad combo of supplements. 

All well and good, and I am glad your mom is still around, but if it was something like a staph infection, maybe a $3 bottle of flucloxacillin might have done the same thing? Something to think about.

Matt was a climbing mentor to me.  I thought about advice he gave me beofore leading a pitch today.  His book when technology fails was thoroughly researched and referenced.  He was  also an MIT graduate.  I was told he had a stroke.  Unless we can provide references to studies linking colloidal silver or another supplements he was known to take to strokes and actually have a productive conversation, the most respectful thing to do might be to let the man rest rather then engage in conjecture. 

I had to Google it because I couldn’t believe people were actually talking about ingesting silver like it’s a good idea.  It’s not.
https://www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-lifestyle/consumer-health/expert-answers/colloidal-silver/faq-20058061

Billcoe wrote:
Here's one article in particular discussing superbugs and things that can be utilized to fight them. In response to your question Dylan B, he discusses collidal silver in particular and it's bacteria fighting properties: https://www.huffpost.com/entry/when-a-super-bug-strikes_b_192543?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuaHVmZnBvc3QuY29tL2F1dGhvci9tYXR0aGV3LXN0ZWlu&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAABIuQjVLvGF9srfopBS9D4F7QmoS7qfGTiVIpHLhDFHaASCfEOkUasyVLgKiu12xKGDwX3LfhEjepsBQxrGS8NMx7PWKQcGghd4naWkRbp4zoTJdZMRYbzKKignUEQHo9fz3ryjThyIuX4oTeJjJgyBZv08TLDUDnbcoeNoLUqQO

For myself, I recently saw a cream containing silver stop a huge infections on my moms legs, it unquestionably saved her life. There's a lot of things we don't know at this time. I appreciated Mats passion and knowledge on this stuff and will keep that idea of collida silver ability to kill flu on tap for the future, but wonder if he might have hit a bad combo of supplements. 

I know nothing about Matthew Stein the person-- I'm sure he was quite a fine individual-- but can comment a bit on the ideas he promulgates in his huffpost article (I have phd in cancer biology and work in drug discovery, judge that how you will)

1) having an undergrad engineering degree from MIT + the ability to google stuff + a passion about a subject does not make you an expert in medicine. Also, it's purposefully confusing to call yourself an "MIT engineer" in your author biography, as it  suggests you teach there.

2)  huffpost is a shit organization that will happily publish whatever content you give it for free. It does zero vetting, as far as I can tell. It only cares about cheap clicks.

Billcoe wrote:

But that's not what the artical I linked says, it's the opposite.

And all that stuff you posted is medical bullshit. 

No dog in the fight here, but I just want to say that between the OP asking if there was an autopsy done on an individual and the following arguments on eating silver, this is a really fucking wierd thread. 

mpech wrote:

I know nothing about Matthew Stein the person-- I'm sure he was quite a fine individual-- but can comment a bit on the ideas he promulgates in his huffpost article...

Except you don’t comment on his ideas or use your PhD to provide us information about strokes and colloidal silver.  Instead you make personal attacks on someone who is deceased.  

Audren Tawaji wrote:

Except you don’t comment on his ideas or use your PhD to provide us information about strokes and colloidal silver.  Instead you make personal attacks on someone who is deceased.  

Re: commenting on his ideas: He had no data to back up any of his ideas on how silver/garlic/tea tree oil/homeopathy/etc... provide any sort of therapeutic benefit. There is nothing to evaluate, from a scientific perspective. If I wrote a huffpost article about how I thought eating fingernails cured cancer, you could safely ignore that information as well.  

In terms 'using my phd' to provide a link between strokes and colloidal silver-- I never said there was a link. Most likely the stroke was unrelated.  I just said that it sounded bad to ingest colloidal silver, and that the sort of person willing to ingest that was probably also taking a bunch of other weird shit. Dosing yourself with a bunch of different compounds of unknown potency+MOA can sometimes have weird effects. Geez, it's almost like there should be a federal agency to oversee drugs and drug development...

mpech wrote:

Re: commenting on his ideas: He had no data to back up any of his ideas on how silver/garlic/tea tree oil/homeopathy/etc... provide any sort of therapeutic benefit. There is nothing to evaluate, from a scientific perspective. If I wrote a huffpost article about how I thought eating fingernails cured cancer, you could safely ignore that information as well.  

In terms 'using my phd' to provide a link between strokes and colloidal silver-- I never said there was a link. Most likely the stroke was unrelated.  I just said that it sounded bad to ingest colloidal silver, and that the sort of person willing to ingest that was probably also taking a bunch of other weird shit. Dosing yourself with a bunch of different compounds of unknown potency/efficacy can sometimes have weird effects. Geez, it's almost like there should be a federal agency to oversee drugs and drug development...

This was a much more informative post than the first few you made.  Seems right when discussing the ideas of a deceased person you never knew to stick to the ideas rather than attack the person but to each his own. 

Dylan B. wrote: What does it mean that it was “his own” colloidal silver? Sounds like he was drinking his own pee, or something.

Dylan, click AND READ a few of the links and this question would be answered. Mat wrote that adding a Collidal Silver generator to your Bob (Bug Out Bag). In one of his writings he dratils how to make your own Collidal Silver generator. The only issue I have with his books are that they tend to go over things I already knew. Of those things I know, which was a lot of it, he was smart, well versed in the subjetct and well spoken. Like you Dylan,  I didn't have but minimal knowledge of what a Collidal Silver generator was.  If you read the links above we'll both know:-)

To Mpech and Ted, thanks for contributing to the subject and a reminder to all to keep it civil, Mat would have wanted to have this conversation, but actual science and links are always helpful.  I'm not suggesting supplements took Mat out as I don't know, but I was wondering if they might have contributed and wanted to ask what, if anything had been learned. Again, I have no personal knowledge. But he checked out much younger than normal and he was an otherwise healthy person. That said, another climbing buddy did have a stroke at age 40 something, a super healthy vegan eating hard pulling lot of exercise getting fella. There was no apparent reason, perhaps the same is here.

Thanks for the info on Collidal Silver. Didn't mean to get anyone all cranked up, I'll check out of the convo.

Someone (Billcoe was quoted, but I couldn't find the orig.) said : I recently saw a cream containing silver stop a huge infections on my moms legs,

Whether or not the silver stopped the infection I have no comment (but some clothing manufacturers impregnate their fabric(s) with silver for anti-bacteriological effect(s) so there's probably something "to it") , but in terms of the body's ability to "deal" (excrete)  with something there's a big difference between applying a cream to the skin and ingesting orally.