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Asked a few questions. Not certified. Doesn’t know how to lead but will charge you $20/h to teach you how he top ropes at Stoney point. Basically you’re paying to be his climbing partner. 

I asked if he was certified and he told me to kick rocks. My response was that I’m looking out for safety of others and that posing as a guide was illegal. This entitled youth movement is out of hand. 

Pay for my gas or buy me a beer.  I can lead and need a partner.

Cory F wrote: Pay for my gas or buy me a beer.  I can lead and need a partner.

 Don’t even joke about that! I would be happy to drive from SF to wherever and buy the beer! Smoke too if that’s your thing. 

I also just sent him a message telling him what he's doing is illegal. And that he should take people climbing for free and for fun. Not sure he's even qualified to do that!

Edit: He wrote me back and said, "OK. Thanks." Which could mean several things.

Bill Kirby wrote:

 Don’t even joke about that! I would be happy to drive from SF to wherever and buy the beer! Smoke too if that’s your thing. 

Is Boise too far? I don't even smoke, drink, or that other stuff. Serious coffee addict, though.

;-)

Old lady H wrote:

Is Boise too far? I don't even smoke, drink, or that other stuff. Serious coffee addict, though.

;-)

Come to Portland and I'll only charge you 10/hr for the privilege of belying me. They really love their coffee around here if that's what your into.

Old lady H wrote:

Is Boise too far? I don't even smoke, drink, or that other stuff. Serious coffee addict, though.

;-)

Take her some edibles Bill. They go great with coffee. Hippy speedball anyone :)

Ben Pellerin wrote:

Come to Portland and I'll only charge you 10/hr for the privilege of belying me. They really love their coffee around here if that's what your into.

Oooo! Only $10 an hour for belying?? I got offered $50 for 15 minutes...lotsa decades ago.

;-)

If belying is $10 per hour, how much is repelling?

LOL you guys are great!

Helen, I’ll send you a bag of Counter Culture when I get back to SF. I think you’ll like it.

Cory, still waiting :(

Certified Guide lol.

This is srs bz.

Harumpfster Boondoggle wrote: Certified Guide lol.

This is srs bz.

Next thing you know. they'll want doctors to be certified. Who needs training for all these life-or-death things? :)

His web page no longer mentions that he's a guide, maybe he actually listened to what people said? Heck, if he wants to charge people $20 to go top roping, I have no issue with that, as long as he doesn't call himself a guide. I say let him do his own thing, maybe he'll have fun and somebody with $20 to spare will have fun with him.

Anonymous wrote:I only ask that you please give tips beforehand.

Reminds me of a sign in a local bar...

 "If you drink to forget please pay up front" ;)

FrankPS wrote:

Next thing you know. they'll want doctors to be certified. Who needs training for all these life-or-death things? :)

Right, because AMGA Certification (lol) is the same thing as 4 years of undergraduate training, 4 years of medical school and 3-15 years of post-graduate training and 3 multi-day licensing exams.

Harumpfster Boondoggle wrote:

Right, because AMGA Certification (lol) is the same thing as 4 years of undergraduate training, 4 years of medical school and 3-15 years of post-graduate training and 3 multi-day licensing exams.

You've always rejected the ideas of guiding and the AMGA, so your response was predictable. I was making the point that things that involve people's life or health should require training. I guess police and firefighters training should be poo-pooed too, since it's only a year or so. And paramedics and EMTs. And;..

To be fair, I've taken new climbers out and I don't have any certification! (but I don't claim to be a guide or charge for it)

FrankPS wrote: To be fair, I've taken new climbers out and I don't have any certification! (but I don't claim to be a guide or charge for it)

Right, so you should be sued for practicing without certification (it doesn't matter if you charge or not under the law).

AMGA certification don't mean shit my friend.

There's is absolutely nothing wrong with guiding.

There is everything wrong with AMGA Certification being used as a substitute for experience and judgment.

Im always looking for partners since I'm new to the area.  Lmk

Harumpfster Boondoggle wrote:

Right, so you should be sued for practicing without certification (it doesn't matter if you charge or not under the law).

AMGA certification don't mean shit my friend.

There's is absolutely nothing wrong with guiding.

There is everything wrong with AMGA Certification being used as a substitute for experience and judgment.

Serious question: How are bad doctors weeded out of the licensing process? I would guess that becoming a doctor also requires good judgment.  Because not everyone that aspires to be an AMGA guide passes the exams.

Couldn't one say, "There is everything wrong with a medical license being used as a substitute for experience and judgment."?