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what is the right thing to do?

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Allen Koehler · · Spokane wa · Joined May 2012 · Points: 10

I'm in a delimma and curious to know what the community thinks. I have had a climbing partner who in the past I have watched him hide gear under his shirt he/she found at the crag to get it back to the car. Hides it so owner dosen't see it. I myself am a true beliver in karma and given the sport we do and its dangers, I myself would NEVER do this. It is wrong in every way. The right thing to do is post a note on climbers board and at least attempt to return said gear too owner. Now i have been going through all my cams and have noticed many many are MIA or swapped out for one that is not safe for climbing on. He/she is the only climber I have climbed with since I relocated to the Northwest. I ultimately feel betrayed as I have given said person gear  I no longer needed. Its a given I will NEVER climb with he/she again, but should I expose this person so others are not done the same way.

Thanks All

zoso · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Jun 2007 · Points: 798

Obviously yes.  Otherwise you are enabling a Klepto. 

FrankPS · · Atascadero, CA · Joined Nov 2009 · Points: 276

Have you confronted your (ex) partner? Have you ever said anything to him? The "hiding" part sounds like he is a thief. You should say something to him about your missing cams and his shady ways.

mediocre · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Jul 2013 · Points: 0

Is he hiding booty he found in a crack or swiping it off of someone’s pack at the base?
And why is he putting stuff in his shirt? Does he not have a pack?

Don’t blame you for not climbing with him though. He seems odd.

If only there was a rating system....

Allen Koehler · · Spokane wa · Joined May 2012 · Points: 10

I cannot get him to return my phone call, i suppose my next option is to go to is work to confront him.

Allen Koehler · · Spokane wa · Joined May 2012 · Points: 10

packs where at the tent we where 100+ yards up hill. we hiked up to climb the feathers, short sport routes. 

Kevin Buddin · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Sep 2016 · Points: 5

See something say something 

Allen Koehler · · Spokane wa · Joined May 2012 · Points: 10

you are right. it has bothered me since it happened, however i did tell him that wasn't right, but at the time I should have done more. This was the first time I have ever been in a situation such as this.

PWZ · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Feb 2016 · Points: 0

Careful, his reputation is at stake/we're only hearing one side of the story/hey, look! Can of worms!

Max Supertramp · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Mar 2008 · Points: 95

get the torches!  cut his stealin' hand off!

Bill Czajkowski · · Albuquerque, NM · Joined Oct 2008 · Points: 21
Allen Koehler wrote: I cannot get him to return my phone call, i suppose my next option is to go to is work to confront him.

With the intent to accomplish what? Get your stuff back, change that person’s behavior, tell them off and assuage your guilt? 

Bill Lawry · · Albuquerque, NM · Joined Apr 2006 · Points: 1,821

Ah yes - good idea. We needed a sacrificial anode for life of the “bad apples” thread. But work on the sincerity part. And don’t let anyone catch on.

Strong work!

Carolina · · Front Range NC · Joined Nov 2010 · Points: 20

What would Jesus do?

Suburban Roadside · · Abovetraffic on Hudson · Joined Apr 2014 · Points: 2,419

Be the implement of Karma, & stand up for what you know is right & what you say.

“The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.”―Edmund Burke (in a letter addressed to Thomas Mercer)

The repercussions  for the whole community are involved in curtailing this sort of wrong-minded behavior  
If done tactfully, it will be a teaching moment that will raise the quality of everyone's experience.
Doing nothing (or next to nothing, posting an anonymous warning to those who climb in the same venues) ensures that everyone loses

Bill Lawry · · Albuquerque, NM · Joined Apr 2006 · Points: 1,821

Keep doing things together. Start putting his stuff under your shirt since software and hardware work best at body temperature. Then hide it well when he is not looking.

Paul Morrison · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Nov 2006 · Points: 55

So it's come to this: crowd-sourcing of ethics. We're doomed.

Tradiban · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Apr 2004 · Points: 11,610
Allen Koehler wrote: I'm in a delimma and curious to know what the community thinks. I have had a climbing partner who in the past I have watched him hide gear under his shirt he/she found at the crag to get it back to the car. Hides it so owner dosen't see it. I myself am a true beliver in karma and given the sport we do and its dangers, I myself would NEVER do this. It is wrong in every way. The right thing to do is post a note on climbers board and at least attempt to return said gear too owner. Now i have been going through all my cams and have noticed many many are MIA or swapped out for one that is not safe for climbing on. He/she is the only climber I have climbed with since I relocated to the Northwest. I ultimately feel betrayed as I have given said person gear  I no longer needed. Its a given I will NEVER climb with he/she again, but should I expose this person so others are not done the same way.

Thanks All

The ethical thing to do is make up your mind on your own.

Try Cam · · Ft. Wayne, IN · Joined Nov 2017 · Points: 0
Tradiban wrote:

The ethical thing to do is make up your mind on your own.

And then post him a negative on the newly developed MP Partner Rating System,a 1/5 for Moraleity.

Mike Lane · · AnCapistan · Joined Jan 2006 · Points: 880

You should have had zero tolerance for the very first time he pulled that shit. Been like "Hey, wtf are you doing!?!”
Why were you friends with him in the first place?
If you never have anything else in life, at least have honor. 

Bill Lawry · · Albuquerque, NM · Joined Apr 2006 · Points: 1,821

We need to resurrect the art of the post-climb discussion ... on the drive home, in camp, over pizza and beer, etc..

E K · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Nov 2018 · Points: 0

Expose him, he deserves it. Stealing is never right.

Guideline #1: Don't be a jerk.

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