J Squared wrote: "I was actually thinking about this some more, in a broader picture. How much emotion is it acceptable to have "
please just stop right there.
these are things nobody should be regulating.
unless you like living your life constantly worrying about what random people might think of you.
surely anyone you know for real will understand any sort of emotional display that happens.
Where did I say that it should be regulated?
This thread started by ridiculing something that the OP (and most people, in OP's place, including most people responding to this thread) would deem an excessively ridiculous display of emotion over trivial matter.
And this got me thinking about where we, as a society, draw a line between acceptable display of emotion, and excessive display of emotion, an acceptable item to be emotional about, and something that is deemed not worthy of emotional display.
Obviously, everyone is different, some people display more, others seem more chill, the exact same thing is important for some, and not important for others, and in most cases the emotional display is not something that is controlled and deliberate.
I remember being a noob and getting v3 and v4s in the gym, driving out to Bishop and couldn't even finish one v0. Was a real wake-up call. Still working on v0s in Yosemite.
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Paul Davis wrote: I remember being a noob and getting v3 and v4s in the gym, driving out to Bishop and couldn't even finish one v0. Was a real wake-up call. Still working on v0s in Yosemite.
I'll even help you out " The guy threw down his check bag, and walked out. I admit I thought it was funny. "
hey guess what. my comment started with "this is hilarious" because I also found it funny.
or do you think only 1 layer of sarcasm is acceptable, and when it's 2 layers it just goes WHOOSH over that pretty little head of yours ;)
PS: in a non-sarcastic aside... I think it's double hilarious that you'd honestly expect any random reader of this thread to remember even a single detail from a story written in post number 4... by the time they have gotten to page number 3.... in a thread which is ostensibly about making fun of people who display emotions. and somehow think you are scoring points by your statement above. when you click the notifications for thread updates it doesn't even load page one. here you are, expecting people to be psychic.
J Squared wrote: I think it's double hilarious that you'd honestly expect any random reader of this thread to remember even a single detail from a story written in post number 4... by the time they have gotten to page number 3.... in a thread which is ostensibly about making fun of people who display emotions.
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J Squared wrote: PS: in a non-sarcastic aside... I think it's double hilarious that you'd honestly expect any random reader of this thread to remember even a single detail from a story written in post number 4... by the time they have gotten to page number 3....
Most people seem to be able to follow threads fine it's only until things get past page 7 or 8 that you generally start to see repetition.
in a thread which is ostensibly about making fun of people who display emotions.
This thread was originally to talk about the frustration felt by people who might have to climb or work around adults throwing tantrums when they're too uninformed to have a good reason to be frustrated, this was never supposed to be about good climbers that's something completely different.
and somehow think you are scoring points by your statement above. when you click the notifications for thread updates it doesn't even load page one.
Well I would assume that you commented before you actually started getting notifications from the thread, you should have plenty of context.
here you are, expecting people to be psychic.
Psychic=reading, maybe you should up your standard.
Lena chita wrote: Why? If Joe Climber is working as hard as he can, and giving it all to his project, and loves climbing every bit as much as Ondra does, why isn't he allowed to have the same range of emotions, and to display them, the way a top-level climber is allowed to do? is it only because Joe Climber should remember at all times that his 5.12c is nothing special, so he should dampen his emotions to be in line with the grade he is sending?
This is a good point, even if I don't agree with it. One could make the case that the wobbler– just like tickmarks, permadraws, and sport projecting tactics in general– has been subject to "trickle down" effects in which mediocre climbers see elite climbers doing it, so they think they can do it to on their own average climbs. Pros look down on the rest of us when we throw wobblers on 5.12s, us mountainreject keybored warriors look down on noobs who throw wobblers on v2, and those noobs probably look down on average people who complain about approach hikes and bugs in the outdoors.
What's getting lost here is that the wobblers have a long and illustrious tradition in high level climbing, which has mirrored the overall historical evolution of the sport. Tantrums were the norm during sport climbing's anorexic teenage years during the 1990s (Jim Karn, anyone?). Even Sharma threw wobblers in his early years. It was only after Sharma got all stoner-zen and started sending 5.15 that the entire climbing world began turning away from the wobbler, which remained dormant until Ondra and other millennials rediscovered the lost art. Now that climbing is trending more and more toward "helicopter-parents-at-the-gymnastics-meet" territory, we can expect to see many more great advances in the elite-level wobbler all the way up to the Olympics. Meanwhile, most average climbers now days will probably only throw wobblers if their latest bright-colored close-up 5.10 pose-portrait by ladylockoff fails to get the necessary instagram likes to land them that frictionlabs ambassadorship, and those wobblers will be via facebook posts.
Pros look down on the rest of us when we throw wobblers on 5.12s, us mountainreject keybored warriors look down on noobs who throw wobblers on v2, and those noobs probably look down on average people who complain about approach hikes and bugs in the outdoors.
Just to remind everybody - OP was looking down at climbers, or more exactly adults, throwing climbing related tantrums. Here it is to refresh the memory
What are peoples experiences in seeing full grown men throwing all out tantrums because they can't do stuff way above them, I'm not talking someone getting frustrated because they just greased off the final hold, I'm talking newb climbers throwing shoes around because they can't manage a v5.
Perhaps, he was a bit sexist in not being interested in "full grown women" being overly frustrated, but this is very polarized world we live in, we should only judge people for climbing related tantrums in this thread.
As to your point of judging someone for outward expression of their success - I do not see anything wrong with it if vocabulary and actions do not insult anyone.
This is a good point, even if I don't agree with it. One could make the case that the wobbler– just like tickmarks, permadraws, and sport projecting tactics in general– has been subject to "trickle down" effects in which mediocre climbers see elite climbers doing it, so they think they can do it to on their own average climbs. Pros look down on the rest of us when we throw wobblers on 5.12s, us mountainreject keybored warriors look down on noobs who throw wobblers on v2, and those noobs probably look down on average people who complain about approach hikes and bugs in the outdoors.
What's getting lost here is that the wobblers have a long and illustrious tradition in high level climbing, which has mirrored the overall historical evolution of the sport. Tantrums were the norm during sport climbing's anorexic teenage years during the 1990s (Jim Karn, anyone?). Even Sharma threw wobblers in his early years. It was only after Sharma got all stoner-zen and started sending 5.15 that the entire climbing world began turning away from the wobbler, which remained dormant until Ondra and other millennials rediscovered the lost art. Now that climbing is trending more and more toward "helicopter-parents-at-the-gymnastics-meet" territory, we can expect to see many more great advances in the elite-level wobbler all the way up to the Olympics. Meanwhile, most average climbers now days will probably only throw wobblers if their latest bright-colored close-up 5.10 pose-portrait by ladylockoff fails to get the necessary instagram likes to land them that frictionlabs ambassadorship, and those wobblers will be via facebook posts.
Hahaha! I think your age is showing, it's Instagram, not Facebook these days. :) Or maybe I'm behind times on that, too.
But yes, trickle-down happens. And when it comes to sport events that are televised, the emotional outbursts almost seem to be part and parcel of the pageantry. I'd also wager that, just like in everything else, the cameras zoom in on rating-enhancing/exciting things, so there might be 1 athlete who smashed his tennis racket after loosing a match, and every other guy who lost just walked away quickly to hide and cool off in the locker room, but guess what would be on the news... Now that comp climbing is getting bigger, I'm sure we will see tears, screams, and wobblers in the Olympics.
I guess I should have made it clear that I think everyone is entitled to have a full range of emotions about anything and everything, but to display your frustration by kicking, punching walls, and throwing things is not O.K., regardless of the climbing level, or the importance of the event or project. Screaming is sort of borderline in my book. A try-hard scream/grunt is fine, and supposedly even helps on max-effort moves. A fuuuuck! or noooo! when you peel off the move you thought you had is understandable. A continued screaming and flailing long after the fall ended is over-the-top. That initial scream is usually not something most people are fully conscious of, or able to control... but the subsequent outburst seems more controlable.
...Pros look down on the rest of us when we throw wobblers on 5.12s, us mountainreject keybored warriors look down on noobs who throw wobblers on v2, and those noobs probably look down on average people who complain about approach hikes and bugs in the outdoors....
That's an amusing observation: I climb so that I can look down on people.
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