Not just another dog thread

Nick Goldsmith wrote: This thread is a great example of how utterly clueless dog people are.
1. yes it is just another dog thread.
2.  All this hogwash about there is no such thing as a bad dog is absolutely pathetic dog person cool aid BS. Some dogs just like their owners are born assholes. they usually don't change.
3. Oh he  has never done that before is nothing new. its the norm. You are just so pathetically under his control that you have never realized or accepted that you dog is in fact an asshole.
4.  and of course the most important factor of all. No one loves your mangly flea bag stinky ass mutt the way you do. We are usually polite, we usually tolerate your shit but that is about the extent of it.. No you are not a hero for bringing your PINTA problems to the cliff..

One in 10 dogs are actually really cool Dawgs. the rest are needy or aggressive pains in the ass. Your chances of being that one it ten are well.... One in ten...

A true dog lover. I admire that.

ChadMartino wrote: AGREED!!! I cannot stand irresponsible dog owners and improperly trained and aggressive dogs.
My little Red Heeler, Lola, was almost chewed in half by a fucking 80lb American Bully in Sedona. Probably my fault for not having Lola on her leash, but she is the sweetest dog and never wanders off except to follow friends but she always stays close.
The bully breed came out of nowhere from down by the creek and made a b-line for my dog as she walked by. Ended up separating 10 sq. Inches of tissue from the muscle on my dogs side, along with a 1 inch hole by her hip (which ended up being a gaping 4 inch hole after the dead tissue sloughed off).
Long story short, the guys dog was super aggressive and had attacked another dog the weekend before. I told the guy I was going to curb stomp him if I saw him in the parking lot after I packed up my camping gear as fast as I could, to rush Lola to he emergency vet on a Sunday evening. 
People are pieces of shit. 

100% your fault if your dog wasn't on a leash... there are a reason for leash laws.... 

 i've had many APBT's over the years and always my biggest concern is another dog (not on a leash) running up on my dogs, and then my dogs eating that ass up. luckily has never happened before, but it's stupid to not follow leash laws.... then if that would ever happen, they would want to kill my dogs, because someone is too big of a moron to abide by the leash laws.

p.s.- my dogs have never seen a crag...

There are no bad dog owners, just bad dogs.

My climbing partner is aggressive. He will downgrade your project and point fingers when you don't send it. Should I leave him home too?

So looking at this objectively.  What have we learned kids? Don't bring your aggro dog to the crag it may hurt people / animals. Don't bring your nice dogs to the crag they may get eaten. The moral of the story is don't bring your dog to the crag. Oh and stop pretending like you are going to come back and pick up that bag of feces that you took the time to pick up but can't be bothered to carry it with you!

Jordan W wrote:

 ...running up on my dogs, and then my dogs eating that ass up....

Woah. In the context of urban slang...

Nick Goldsmith wrote: This thread is a great example of how utterly clueless dog people are.
1. yes it is just another dog thread.
2.  All this hogwash about there is no such thing as a bad dog is absolutely pathetic dog person cool aid BS. Some dogs just like their owners are born assholes. they usually don't change.
3. Oh he  has never done that before is nothing new. its the norm. You are just so pathetically under his control that you have never realized or accepted that you dog is in fact an asshole.
4.  and of course the most important factor of all. No one loves your mangly flea bag stinky ass mutt the way you do. We are usually polite, we usually tolerate your shit but that is about the extent of it.. No you are not a hero for bringing your PINTA problems to the cliff..

One in 10 dogs are actually really cool Dawgs. the rest are needy or aggressive pains in the ass. Your chances of being that one it ten are well.... One in ten...

Dogs are neither "good" or "bad". That's human perception of their behavior and dogs are just animals. It's up to their owners to control those behaviors in a good/bad way

BTW: Isn't this the point in the thread where all the tough guys start threatening to kick dog ass and Aleks starts babbling about eating dogs? (Not that this subject has ever been discussed on MP before....)

Adam Hammershoi wrote: My climbing partner is aggressive. He will downgrade your project and point fingers when you don't send it. Should I leave him home too?

yes

The point of this thread is that 4 aggressive, off leash dogs put a human (& another dog) in the hospital. Don't bring aggressive dogs, and don't be afraid to say something if it feels off. Good, mellow, well controlled dogs are NOT a problem. 

cragmantoo wrote:

Dogs are neither "good" or "bad". That's human perception of their behavior and dogs are just animals. It's up to their owners to control those behaviors in a good/bad way

BTW: Isn't this the point in the thread where all the tough guys start threatening to kick dog ass and Aleks starts babbling about eating dogs? (Not that this subject has ever been discussed on MP before....)

Someone threatened to kick a dog owners ass.. Close enough?

simplyput . wrote: Jordan W wrote:

 ...running up on my dogs, and then my dogs eating that ass up....

Woah. In the context of urban slang...

i cant keep up with the urban slang the youths are using these days

Dogs are cool.  Now hangdogging, on the other hand... well that really gets my dander up.

^ maybe even raises your hackles?

Jordan W wrote:

100% your fault if your dog wasn't on a leash... there are a reason for leash laws.... 

 i've had many APBT's over the years and always my biggest concern is another dog (not on a leash) running up on my dogs, and then my dogs eating that ass up. luckily has never happened before, but it's stupid to not follow leash laws.... then if that would ever happen, they would want to kill my dogs, because someone is too big of a moron to abide by the leash laws.

p.s.- my dogs have never seen a crag...

So because of aggressive dog owners like you, nobody should be able to brings their dogs to crag? I bet you think assault weapons ban will stop gun violence too. 

ChadMartino wrote: So because of aggressive dog owners like you, nobody should be able to brings their dogs to crag? I bet you think assault weapons ban will stop gun violence too. 

ooooo this is gonna get good....

Pnelson wrote: Dang, this is a terrible story.  I don't doubt that dog owners may be saying "my dog has never acted like this before!"

People need to realize that a typical single-pitch crag is just a flat-out terrible environment for many (most?) dogs.  Crowded, many different people and animals, some "dog people," others not, and the fact that a dog's owner will frequently be inaccessible to the dog while he'she is on the rock.

I can see no legitimate reason to bring a dog to such an environment. Completely irresponsible.

Briggs Lazalde wrote:

Its a great environment for a dog if ....

Yeah, there's that if again....

Right, so if there is no one else around, that's fine. If there are folks / dogs there, or if someone arrives, then it's time to short-rope Fido. Immediately. I'm not a fan of dogs as most are not well behaved. 

Briggs Lazalde wrote:

...Because we won't see a soul where we are going. Gauranteed

Well, yeah, sounds good to me...but the original post, and (most) discussion following are related to bringing dogs to busy areas, which I see as being irresponsible.

The other really cute passive aggressive thing that dog people pull is that If you don't like their dog your the asshole not them for imposing their needy  wet smelly wormy butt flea bag tick infested mutt on you.   I actually like dogs.  Thing is I am very praticuler about which dawgs I like.   Currently the only dog that I know that I like lives a mile down the  road from me. We have worked on the same contruction crews quite a bit.

 Bro is a super cool and smart aussie sheep dog..   The last dog that I knew before bro that I really liked was Hank. pretty certain he has passed by now. last time I saw him he was gittin on.  This is the story of Hank

  I watched my new neighbors dogs  for Thanksgiving a few years ago.  Super nice couple that moved in with a 40ft stock trailer that read BEEF on the Arizona plates. Jason introduced me to the mutts with a huge sh#t eating grin just visible under the brim of his 20 gallon hat and they were the friendliest things you could ever meet. Eliot and Ruby were nice big redbone hounds that were trained lion hunters. Hank was your basic Red Heeler ranch Dawg. Jason showed me the routine and I gave them all a few treats. Everything was just peachy.  Jason told me I didn't have to worry too much about Eliot and Ruby but don't turn your back on Hank! I don't want you gittin dawg bit on me.  
With that  tidbit of friendly advice they packed up the wife and baby into the 1986 F350 diesel and took off for grandma mother in laws place in Maine.

 When I got off work @5pm in November in the Northeast it  was darker than the inside of a caved in coal mine in west By God Virginny. I pull up to the  chain link dog enclosure and all I can see when the motion lights come on is fangs and spit.  Time for plan B. Walk the hundred meters to the cabin and get that bacon pan I never washed after breakfast this morning. While I was home I took the redneck precaution of strapping on my trusty .357 magnum just in case things git too squirly over there.  I huck that bacon pan into the far corner of the enclosure. The pack of  crazed snarling beasts  pounce on that sucker like  trumpers on a CNN reporter. Hair slobber and blood flying in all directions  was my que to sneak in the enclosure and gather up their personal dog bowls placing them stratigacly near the fence instead of in the far back corner where Jason had devilishly put them.  Old dented tin dog bowls partialy filled with exactly one small coffee can of Kibble was supposed to be the ration for 24hours according to ranch rules. I had other plans.  The next morning before work I brought over 3 HUGE steaks from my sisters over the hill dairy cows. I could never manage to eat the things but I had an inkling that Lion hunters might be the perfect method of disposal for the vile, tough, freezer burnt crap that she used to give me for Christmas and birthdays..   Eliot and Ruby grabbed their steaks  and slunk into opposite corners of the den, settled down and nursed their prizes while keeping a wary eye out for any possible competition.  Hank promptly swallowed his monster steak in one gulp and then started chokeing to death. Great! Just what I need.  Now I have to explain to Jason that I killed his ranch dog with a steak... Not to worry though  as Hank expertly vomited up his prize and successfully managed to swallow it whole on the second try.   Ever since that day  Hank would start wimpering and squirming his butt like crazy every time he saw me. I always stopped and visited with him on my after work XC ski runs.  He loved having his ears  and belly scratched. Jason would ocasinally come down to shoot the breeze and  show me one of his new guns and I appreciated his company as well but for some reason Hank and I just seemed to get allong.   They moved away and I ran into them a few years later on the highway a few towns over.  We stopped to chat. Hank was deaf and down to one eye but knew exactly who I was and we had a good visit. He never did dog bite me. More than I can say for Scout the new as#@&%e dog who lives next door and has dog bit me twice.