Climbers and Guns....? Hunting this fall?

Señor Arroz wrote:

How would the bear "be found?" By which I mean how would one know it was the bear who ate the person?

You'll know when you find him....... ;)

John Barritt wrote:

You'll know when you find him....... ;)

as he's chewing on my toes?

I never shot a gun until I was in the Army. I had to qualify with my rifle regularly. I always got a perfect score. I was stationed in West Germany. At some point, I remembered taking an oath "To uphold and defend The Constitution against ALL enemies foreign, AND DOMESTIC". My oath said nothing about the president or government. I did some research and read the writings of the people who wrote and ratified it. I started buying guns, and brought them home with me. I try to hunt every year. My wife will finish her bachelors degree this coming spring, and will probably start hunting again. I shot an elk (Cow) and the meat was delicious. I went turkey hunting and got the biggest bird. It tasted just like store bought. I have shot a lot of doves. I didn't get an elk tag this year, and due to a new job I won't be buying a private land owner tag. The 2nd amendment of our constitution guarantees and protects (NOT grants) the right to own and carry military type weapons. If you don't believe me, read The Federalist Papers. The militia referred to in the 2nd amendment means private citizens. "Well regulated" means well trained, or practiced.

Owen David wrote:

Has that person been caught? 

I wish, he's either some deranged sniper or a some new night stalker, or both!  It ain't safe in the 'Bu!!

Chris Little wrote: I never shot a gun until I was in the Army. I had to qualify with my rifle regularly. I always got a perfect score. I was stationed in West Germany. At some point, I remembered taking an oath "To uphold and defend The Constitution against ALL enemies foreign, AND DOMESTIC". My oath said nothing about the president or government. I did some research and read the writings of the people who wrote and ratified it. I started buying guns, and brought them home with me. My wife had 3 guns when I met her. Between the 2 of us,we have about 40 now. I try to hunt every year. She will finish her bachelors degree this coming spring, and will probably start hunting again. I shot an elk (Cow) and the meat was delicious. I went turkey hunting and got the biggest bird. It tasted just like store bought. I have shot a lot of doves. I didn't get an elk tag this year, and due to a new job I won't be buying a private land owner tag. The 2nd amendment of our constitution guarantees and protects (NOT grants) the right to own and carry military type weapons. If you don't believe me, read The Federalist Papers. The militia referred to in the 2nd amendment means private citizens. "Well regulated" means well trained, or practiced.

Little Chris....Do yourself a favor man....Don't spread your quantity of firearms on a public forum. From one veteran to another, keep that kind of shit private. It's no one's business, but your own. If you are going to ask me "Why?" Then, you don't really know the true meaning of "A Well regulated militia." 

Señor Arroz wrote:

How would the bear "be found?" By which I mean how would one know it was the bear who ate the person?

Pretty simple actually-the bear was protecting the kill (as do all predators) and inevitably hair rubbed off onto the alders and spruce trees while the bear was protecting the kill (as well as from samples of the search and rescue workers who were attacked by the bear)  Set up bear traps in the area-take a dna sample from a trapped bear and see if the dna matches.  Problem is there are so many bears and the area is so comparatively rugged, the bear has probably crossed over a couple ridge lines.  Still freaky to know your hiking/climbing in an the immediate area of a man hunter that is loose and will get desperate as hibernation looms. 

ColinW: Thanks for the advice. You are right. I get carried away sometimes about important things. From one veteran to another, thank you. As for your petty, immature insult, that one stopped getting to me in the first or second grade. If you respect my service, how about making the same change I did? Thank you in advance.

- is a tribute to taking of an elk next to the Iris main wall by a friend on a general tag last possible day.  When we reached him and the elk I still had draws on my harness.  A local bar tender looked at us as if we’d just  run over his dog. 

Sporting??...Give bears guns and see who bags who.

Chris Little wrote: ColinW: Thanks for the advice. You are right. I get carried away sometimes about important things. From one veteran to another, thank you. As for your petty, immature insult, that one stopped getting to me in the first or second grade. If you respect my service, how about making the same change I did? Thank you in advance.

My bad, Mr. Little. Apologies to you & yours. But, I would think your skin to be a bit thicker than that of a first or second grader for a harmless jab. ;) Must be all that sensitivity training they made us do while on active duty. Climb hard & have fun brother! Cheers! 

akafaultline wrote:

I agree broadly speaking.  In Ak-trophy hunting is a big deal and that’s not necessarily a bad thing at all. Next to where I live a man was killed and eaten recently by a brown bear and the bear has yet to be found-likely never will be.  It’s not a bad thing to prudently diminish a local population that is above the carrying capacity in the name of “trophy hunting.” 

Maybe that's what the bear was thinking about the human population.

Trophy hunting is only ok when it is to control the population of certain animals running wild. Where I live kill all the deer you want because they hit cars like crazy. Deer meat is good though so I am not sure why you would not want to eat it.

Briggs Lazalde wrote: Not impressed. First person to have pics of them dressing a carcass on a portaledge 1000'+ up has my attention..

Field dress? Or skin and quarter?

Either one or both....I'll do it......but on your ledge..... ;)

Trophy hunting to me is just killing shit that happens to look nicer than other ones. If you aren't eating it, it isn't hunting, its killing for vanity reasons. In MN If you don't utilize the meat, it is called WASTE, and is punishable by a fine.

I've done a fair share of killing stuff, but as I age I find I have more respect for all life, and let things live that I may have shot in the past, like coyotes and woodchucks. I have come to believe that all animals in their own capacity love their lives as much as we love ours, and taking their lives without reason diminishes you as a person.

I still like the taste of venison, though, and will continue to eat deer as long as I can.

Looks like there are a few elk hunters in here.  I'm from Wisconsin and looking to do a Colorado Elk hunt in 2020.  Looking to do an over the counter tag. Debating on spending the money for a drop camp (there are 3 of us going).  Really I have no idea what I'm getting into.  Anyone have any resources or able to point me in the right direction here?  Any help / advice is greatly appreciated.  Not necessarily set on CO either.  Just looks like the state has the highest success rates from what I've been seeing.  Just looking for a spot that will give us an opportunity with tags that are relatively easy to come by.  
  

ColinW wrote:

Little Chris....Do yourself a favor man....Don't spread your quantity of firearms on a public forum. From one veteran to another, keep that kind of shit private. It's no one's business, but your own. If you are going to ask me "Why?" Then, you don't really know the true meaning of "A Well regulated militia." 

paranoid much?

Buck Rio wrote: Trophy hunting to me is just killing shit that happens to look nicer than other ones. If you aren't eating it, it isn't hunting, its killing for vanity reasons. In MN If you don't utilize the meat, it is called WASTE, and is punishable by a fine.

I've done a fair share of killing stuff, but as I age I find I have more respect for all life, and let things live that I may have shot in the past, like coyotes and woodchucks. I have come to believe that all animals in their own capacity love their lives as much as we love ours, and taking their lives without reason diminishes you as a person.

I still like the taste of venison, though, and will continue to eat deer as long as I can.

Trophy hunting or just killing and destroying the carcass of an invasive animal that is causing problems is ok (given I still think you should just give the meat to a butcher for free). Trophy hunting an animal that isn't causing problems is stupid.

Trophy hunting big game in Africa is also ok because it is how they fund protecting the animals. For those who don't know people pay tons of money to go kill the animals and generally they only let them kill old ones that aren't going to live much longer and use the millions they get from people doing it to protect the young ones.

Ryan and Jesse Morse-Brady wrote: Wapiti Wall - is a tribute to taking of an elk next to the Iris main wall by a friend on a general tag last possible day.  When we reached him and the elk I still had draws on my harness.  A local bar tender looked at us as if we’d just  run over his dog. 

I remember Taylor Spiegelberg mentioning working on this wall, but I need to go check it out. I had no idea of the elk hunt history! 

ViperScale . wrote:

Trophy hunting or just killing and destroying the carcass of an invasive animal that is causing problems is ok (given I still think you should just give the meat to a butcher for free). Trophy hunting an animal that isn't causing problems is stupid.

Trophy hunting big game in Africa is also ok because it is how they fund protecting the animals. For those who don't know people pay tons of money to go kill the animals and generally they only let them kill old ones that aren't going to live much longer and use the millions they get from people doing it to protect the young ones.

Tell that to Cecil...The Murder of Cecil the Lion

outofstep80 wrote: Looks like there are a few elk hunters in here.  I'm from Wisconsin and looking to do a Colorado Elk hunt in 2020.  Looking to do an over the counter tag. Debating on spending the money for a drop camp (there are 3 of us going).  Really I have no idea what I'm getting into.  Anyone have any resources or able to point me in the right direction here?  Any help / advice is greatly appreciated.  Not necessarily set on CO either.  Just looks like the state has the highest success rates from what I've been seeing.  Just looking for a spot that will give us an opportunity with tags that are relatively easy to come by.  
  

I haven't hunted Colorado but you might want to check out the hunt talk forums someone there should be able to point you in the right direction.