Indian Creek Update

"Much of Indian Creek is located within Bureau of Land Management parcels that are proposed for oil and gas development" - a proposed 90% reduction of Bears Ears.

Heartbreaking to see industry put before country.

https://www.accessfund.org/news-and-events/news/breaking-new-information-increases-threat-to-bears-ears

This is really heartbreaking.  I don't really know what else to add.

.....I wonder what trump thinks about rock climbers ?

mike c wrote:

.....I wonder what trump thinks about rock climbers ?

Probably about the same as Mike Noel: “When you turn the management over to the tree-huggers, the bird and bunny lovers and the rock lickers, you turn your heritage over,”

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/24/us/bears-ears-utah-monument.html?mcubz=0

https://www.mountainproject.com/forum/topic/113508272/bears-ears-to-be-downsized-to-160000-acres?search=1&type=forum&method=resultsPage&query=bears%20ears

If this happens, it will be time to bring back the Monkey Wrench gang and seriously screw with any oil and gas operations!

Highlander wrote:

If this happens, it will be time to bring back the Monkey Wrench gang and seriously screw with any oil and gas operations!

Hayduke Lives man.

Ed Abbey should be re-introduced as mandatory reading for middle-school, it's time we start refocusing young mind's to stop chasing dollars and iphones start endeavoring to conserve and experience reality. Of course that'd require conditioning their parents first...

Hayduke *

Collin Holt wrote:

Hayduke *

thanks man, tipo

chris_vultaggio wrote:

Hayduke Lives man.

Ed Abbey should be re-introduced as mandatory reading for middle-school, it's time we start refocusing young mind's to stop chasing dollars and iphones start endeavoring to conserve and experience reality. Of course that'd require conditioning their parents first...

Monkey Wrench Gang was required reading in my senior English class!

I agree... need more people questioning the way we do things... The current generation needs a new Edward Abbey!

Nice place to protest, stand in front of bulldozers or fracking trucks, or occupy if need be.

lenore sparks wrote:

Nice place to protest, stand in front of bulldozers or fracking trucks, or occupy if need be.

Have you even read monkey wrench gang?

Highlander wrote:

If this happens, it will be time to bring back the Monkey Wrench gang and seriously screw with any oil and gas operations!

Except that will only further the apparent contempt for the "rock lickers."  We need to be building alliances to create influence, not be a burr in the saddle.

Charlie S wrote:

Except that will only further the apparent contempt for the "rock lickers."  We need to be building alliances to create influence, not be a burr in the saddle.

Hopefully this will be avoidable, and the oil and gas companies will not be allowed to drill in Indian Creek. I have lost count on how many public comment emails I have sent to the BLM and state representatives over the last 10 years about Indian Creek, yet every year they try to mess with our public lands. But if they start drilling in the creek............................................................

Charlie S wrote:

Except that will only further the apparent contempt for the "rock lickers."  We need to be building alliances to create influence, not be a burr in the saddle.

What would it look like for climbers to create "an alliance" with oil and gas? Or with the Trump administration for that matter? And what evidence do you see to suggest that those groups would be open to that relationship?

Zinke received 2.6 million comments, mostly in favor of the land protection, and he waved them away by saying they were from "campaigns organized by environmental groups," as if that someone negates the legitimacy of those comments. If we have tried to protect the land via conventional legal means and the government fails to act in the interest of the people, then tactics must be escalated. 

"Violence is a test of the sacred, a matter of what will or will not be defended when push comes to shove." - Jack Turner, The Abstract Wild

I think it's obvious at this point that if you give a single person enough power to create a National Monument, then you have also given a single person enough power to remove a National Monument.

Perhaps people will consider this next time.

It shouldn't have come down to a single person.  And unfortunately, we're witnessing a severe backlash because of poorly implemented policy.

Violence won't be the answer.  Neither will arson.  In fact, it'll probably get us banned from playing in the places we love.

Charlie S wrote:

I think it's obvious at this point that if you give a single person enough power to create a National Monument, then you have also given a single person enough power to remove a National Monument.

The narrative that Bears Ears was created by a "single person" is completely false. Under the Obama administration, Former Interior Secretary Sally Jewel held "more than 1,000 meetings with local people and interest groups over a four year period." There was an extensive review prior to the designation. 

Totally irrelevant but interesting chemistry lesson if anyone is into that... http://prospect.rsc.org/blogs/cw/2014/01/30/concrete-chemistry-and-the-tfl-sugar-rush/

Thanks Trump voters!!

Charlie S wrote:

I think it's obvious at this point that if you give a single person enough power to create a National Monument, then you have also given a single person enough power to remove a National Monument.

Perhaps people will consider this next time.

It shouldn't have come down to a single person.  And unfortunately, we're witnessing a severe backlash because of poorly implemented policy..

You are quite naive. The POTUS can make many decisions as a single person. It is all well documented in the Constitution. In the case of the Antiques Act, Congress specifically gave what would normally be their prerogative to explicitly declare a National Monument to the POTUS. They however, did not give the POTUS the prerogative to reduce or rescind a NM. Though the text is clear to most, that point will be argued in court if Drumpf decides to do something. 

As to your point, and as said above input was solicited. The real issue is that the locals think that they should have the overriding weighting. They forget that these are Federal lands that belong to all Americans.

Here's a good breakdown of reality vs. what Zinke claims as the basis for his decision: https://www.outsideonline.com/2242486/zinke-leaked-monuments-memo