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Patagonia boycotts Outdoor Retailer show in support of Bears Ears...
jason.cre wrote: Where has the "voice" or "seat at the table" gotten the industry in Utah? Short memories? A few examples...this isn't the outdoor industries first rodeo with the state of Utah. jason.cre wrote:Keeping the show there is like telling the trans community to host conventions in N Carolina to "get a seat at the table". North Carolinians unelected that governor. First time ever an incumbent Governor lost re-election. |
Brian in SLC wrote: Short memories? A few examples...this isn't the outdoor industries first rodeo with the state of Utah. ksl.com/?sid=31030753 utahopenlands.org/wp-conten… hcn.org/blogs/goat/new-oil-… sgbonline.com/utah-governor… archive.sltrib.com/story.ph… And on and on. This back and forth has been going on for quite awhile. North Carolinians unelected that governor. First time ever an incumbent Governor lost re-election. Sometimes choosing to remain in your seat on the bus proves historically the right choice. Its not like moving the show means there will be no environmental movement left in Utah. And the 'acheivements' are pathetic. Among the highlights you note: |
Brian in SLC wrote:Lost your seat at the negotiating table? Obama's biggest failing was wasting so time trying to reason and negotiate with intransigent, fringe-right nutjobs. Sometimes there is no negotiating, there's only resisting by any means possible. |
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Having followed Patagonia for over 40 yrs now, their record is crystal clear. They have in the past and continue to this day setting the standard for Responsible corporate behavior. Yvon has Always put his money where his mouth is, as did Doug Tompkins of North Face, REI. ect. Consequently I am very happy to support Patagonia and any other Outdoor Retailer's move out of Utah. Yes Sir! Vote with your pocket book. This has the most impact getting Corporate America's and their various political lackeys attention. |
curt sanders wrote:Having followed Patagonia for over 40 yrs now, their record is crystal clear. They have in the past and continue to this day setting the standard for Responsible corporate behavior. Yvon has Always put his money where his mouth is, as did Doug Tompkins of North Face, REI. ect. Consequently I am very happy to support Patagonia and any other Outdoor Retailer's move out of Utah. Yes Sir! Vote with your pocket book. This has the most impact getting Corporate America's and their various political lackeys attention. Make no mistake about it. We are in a slugfest now with as John Muir said the Black Cavalry of Commerce aka. Big Carbon, the Insane Clown President and their allies. All hands on deck. Lets not conflate "advocating for conservation" with "responsible corporate behavior". I happen to like that they are supportive of the outdoors, but their clothes are made in all of the same places everyone else's are... they are just advocating for their livelihood. |
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Pete... you might find this one enlightens you're opinion. . . their article would seem to contradict your last statement. |
Morgan Patterson wrote:Pete... you might find this one enlightens you're opinion. . . their article would seem to contradict your last statement. patagonia.com/blog/2012/04/… Good find, I take back what I said. The comment section in it is a riot, people are complaining about how much carbon by-products are made by the fleece and the fact they use a supplier in "occupied Palestinian territories." |
Brian in SLC wrote: North Carolinians unelected that governor. But the bill still stands and its repeal is not a certainty (or even all that likely in the near future). |
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Not sure if it's been mentioned but Patagonia stands to lose a sizable chunk of its gross. I e been told the military sales division makes up near 40%.  |
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If this is true they are selling to the US military we should be boycotting them. Disgusting to think they are profiting from the world's largest terrorist organization. |
Altered Ego wrote:If this is true they are selling to the US military we should be boycotting them. Disgusting to think they are profiting from the world's largest terrorist organization. most of our retailers do buddy... Welcome to the real world. It's a massive list. |
Morgan Patterson wrote: most of our retailers do buddy... Welcome to the real world. It's a massive list. +1 |
Altered Ego wrote:If this is true they are selling to the US military we should be boycotting them. Disgusting to think they are profiting from the world's largest terrorist organization. Smh.. be sure post about a boycott of Arcteryx and Wild Things too.. while you're sitting at your computer safe and sound thinking up ridiculous nonsense. |
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You can look at it many different ways. I think it's awesome they profit from the fed then apply that money to fighting other divisions of it. Patagonia isn't your typical corporation. There are not people in suits up top raking in cash from all the little people. The profits are well diversified among employees and charities. They aren't making weapons they are making clothing. Someone is going to sell the government clothing for the military, is it not better that a responsible company both in its manufacturing and business practices does it? |
Altered Ego wrote:If this is true they are selling to the US military we should be boycotting them. Disgusting to think they are profiting from the world's largest terrorist organization. It is true. Arc'Teryx sells to them too. Have fun boycotting them |
Bill Kirby wrote: Smh.. be sure post about a boycott of Arcteryx and Wild Things too.. while you're sitting at your computer safe and sound thinking up ridiculous nonsense. Oh and boycott me too. I profit from the US military. Edit: why do I even reply to anyone with a fake name and pic! Nevermind and carry on trolling Unfortunately, Wild Things is barely a climbing company anymore as military sales became more lucrative combined with an over crowded climbing market. They barely make Andinista packs which sucks because I need to replace the one that got stolen. |
DanielHart wrote:You can look at it many different ways. I think it's awesome they profit from the fed then apply that money to fighting other divisions of it. Patagonia isn't your typical corporation. There are not people in suits up top raking in cash from all the little people. The profits are well diversified among employees and charities. They aren't making weapons they are making clothing. Someone is going to sell the government clothing for the military, is it not better that a responsible company both in its manufacturing and business practices does it? This. Plus, we can thank military researchers for carabiners, nylon, and other products we use regularly as climbers. The military may do many horrible things, but you can't blame the soldiers themselves, they're just following orders. It's the politicians and top ranking military officials calling the shots. |
DanielHart wrote:Not sure if it's been mentioned but Patagonia stands to lose a sizable chunk of its gross. I e been told the military sales division makes up near 40%. Stands to lose from what? Who says the military would cancel contracts over the outdoor retailer show? |
