How will a Trump presidency affect climbers

R. Moran wrote:I demand a long form birth certificate. Clearly he is an Orange!

I thought he was a GMO tangelo.

Hobo Greg wrote:Everyone saying "no" obviously does not follow along in class. Republicans/conservatives have made dismantling public land a priority since before there was public land. And now that they control all three branches, what's to stop them?

Wow great point, except for that one republican/conservative president who placed over 230 million acres of land under protection, established the National Forest Service, laid the groundwork for the National Parks service, and is quoted saying,

"We have become great because of the lavish use of our resources. But the time has come to inquire seriously what will happen when our forests are gone, when the coal, the iron, the oil, and the gas are exhausted, when the soils have still further impoverished and washed into the streams, polluting the rivers, denuding the fields and obstructing navigation."

OOPS

Seriously, your generalization is absurd.

Also, maybe you should read this: newrepublic.com/minutes/128…

Enjoy!

calebmmallory wrote: Wow great point, except for that one republican/conservative president who placed over 230 million acres of land under protection, established the National Forest Service, laid the groundwork for the National Parks service, and is quoted saying, "We have become great because of the lavish use of our resources. But the time has come to inquire seriously what will happen when our forests are gone, when the coal, the iron, the oil, and the gas are exhausted, when the soils have still further impoverished and washed into the streams, polluting the rivers, denuding the fields and obstructing navigation." OOPS Seriously, your generalization is absurd. Also, maybe you should read this: newrepublic.com/minutes/128… Enjoy!

Political parties commonly shift platforms, this apparently happened to the Republicans sometime between Teddy and gop.com/platform/americas-n…

Also, from your above link...

"Donald Trump prizes loyalty above everything. That means his cabinet is going to be a nightmare. It’s all happening. Newt Gingrich for secretary of state and Rudy Giuliani for attorney general were already expected, but Sarah Palin for secretary of the interior? That, and all the public land privatization and drilling that come with it, may very well happen!"

More than anything, I expect a bunch of people to at minimum eat a feast of crow over their behavior in general since about 2005 or so. Everyone who was working behind the scenes to try to get HRC elected, in 2008, 2012, and now 2016.

Specifically this is in reference to all the otherizing, and accusations of certain individuals being out of touch and low class, that happens in the climbing community, specifically with reference to labeling certain other climbers erroneously misogynists or otherwise perverting the truth about them.

I can only hope that the community of climbers can get its act together with reference to these offensive and offending individuals, as it was these offensive individuals treatment of the people they saw as "others", both in communities and at workplaces, which got Trump elected. Any loss to the public lands movement or the movement to bring us closer to a sustainable economy will be directly because of these peoples actions.

His presidency will only affect women, Mexicans, muslims, gays, and African Americans who want to climb on the privately owned land that used to be national and state parks.

Lucky for all of the above I'm a white male and am always looking for partners and am not a racist, sexist douch, so I can get you in! Consider yourself hooked-up!

Here is the way I see it. You now have a republican congress, republican executive, & largely republican supreme court. Privatization of public lands has long been part of the republican platform. Trump, no matter how he feels about privatizing public lands, does not really care much about policy, and as result will sign anything that the legislature will send before his desk. There will be no checks and balances. It is up to you to decide if this is of concern, or not.

I am hoping I can get away without paying $412 per month for crappy insurance with a $5500 deductible.

2014 was $204 with a $5000 deductible, and 2015 was $298 with $5500. That is over $10k out of pocket before receiving any benefit for my forced health insurance.

Are all you guys kidding me with all this angst!?!
Look at what Trump is actually going to provide for us for those long approaches

mine comes with gold plated wheels

Our summer western road trip was a real eye opener. We are so privledged to be able to camp for free on public lands yet so many of the places that we used to camp were gated or had no camping signs. can't see how this election helps preserve our right to camp and climb....

Eric Carlos wrote:I am hoping I can get away without paying $412 per month for crappy insurance with a $5500 deductible. 2014 was $204 with a $5000 deductible, and 2015 was $298 with $5500. That is over $10k out of pocket before receiving any benefit for my forced health insurance.

it's so bad people forgo the insurance altogether and just try to ride out the tax penalty. my er always goes full with underserved that have nothing, except of course 5+ chronic disease processes with acute problems that require help.

Eric Carlos wrote:I am hoping I can get away without paying $412 per month for crappy insurance with a $5500 deductible. 2014 was $204 with a $5000 deductible, and 2015 was $298 with $5500. That is over $10k out of pocket before receiving any benefit for my forced health insurance.

Even Obama has said that Obama care isn't perfect, but it's a starting point. Take a stroll through any hospital and 80% of people are there for conditions that can be treated/prevented but people have no PCP or access to healthcare. At the very least Obamacare ensured that.
What really disturbs me is how the country responded to his messages of division, ignorance and bigotry.

Number one threat to climbing/access would be increased oil and gas exploration and production on Federal lands, and I agree it'll happen in the new Republican government...I mean, the House, the Senate, 33 Governors, and the Trump Presidency, whew! But directional drilling and other modern techniques have proven that minimal impacts can be achieved with excellent economies of production. This means that it's worth it, given the centrality of domestic shale production to medium term economic growth AND geopolitics AND carbon reduction, vis a vis other fossil energy. We've seen these lowered emissions during the Obama years and it's not just the financial crisis and great recession: The shale revolution has played a part, and electric cars and solar are going to play a bigger and bigger part no matter what.

Bottom line is it'll suck in some areas but not in too many and not for too long at each location. On balance, it's worth it for this nation.

All Hail Crag Chariot Man!

Crag Chariot: Beyond Thunderdrome, coming to a theater near you.

Real problem is the medical cost. 2100$ for sitting in a waiting room for 4 hours than took the doctor 30 mins to stitch up a cut on my chin.

That is the problem. I understand some things do cost and cutting edge medicine isn't cheap but come on you don't need a rocket scientist to stitch up a 3 inch cut.

My diabetic medicines cost like 2500$ a month, yea 1500$ out of pocket than 60$ a month after that but still I shouldn't need medical insurance for this, just put on my license i am a diabetic and charge me 100$ a month for the drugs over the counter with no insurance. This is for something that has been around for years and probably cost next to nothing to produce at this point.

Insurance should be for major things that are unexpected. You should not need to have insurance for something that will happen on a yearly basis like going to the doctor because you are sick. It should only be there for car wrecks and other major things that don't happen to everyone every year. Until we fix all this so the average person can go see a basic doctor without needing insurance to cover the cost we are stuck with the system we have.

Viperscale-the problem is that if you take to much insulin and accidentally kill yourself-your family will sue. insulin is much easier to kill your self with versus OTC meds and can't really be considered the same at all.

Don't go to the ER if it's not a legit medical emergency. Go to the acute care center and they'll stitch you up for a fraction of the price. And what's really going on with part of the medical costs is that your paying for all the people with no insurance and who will not pay.
I have treated hundreds of alcoholics who come in looking to get away from the cold and stay there for nothing else. They claim to have chest pain and because of the threat of lawsuits they get a whole work up, with blood work, x-rays, ekgs and everything else-
them not paying forces the bill on to us.

akafaultline wrote:I have treated hundreds of alcoholics who come in looking to get away from the cold and stay there for nothing else. They claim to have chest pain and because of the threat of lawsuits they get a whole work up, with blood work, x-rays, ekgs and everything else- them not paying forces the bill on to us.

People are often underestimated in terms of their intelligence. I always like to keep in mind that the distribution of human intelligence has a small standard deviation when compared to the broader distribution of mammalian intelligence in general, and that there are many mammals one can think up which we would attribute to being able to perform higher cognitive functions. Here is a great example. As a result, it would not surprise me if a significant percentage of those homeless alcoholics are doing what they can to get back at the broader system as a whole. It is power where otherwise they have none.

While we are on the topic, does anyone else remember (I know, it was a year ago almost) how Trumps primary candidacy, and his presidential candidacy to a lesser extent, represented a repudiation of the GOP? How does anyone think this effects things going forward? What difference would it make if we all "conveniently" forgot about this? What culpability do HRC supporters have in bringing about such a potential threat to all of their supposed values, and thus what kind of responsibility do they have to ensure no one "conveniently" forgets this? I hate to be the bearer of bad news to many, but Trump has the potential to be a really great President, and perhaps one of the most significant and memorable.

Also, keep an eye out for any freemasons in your personal vicinity or especially your online communities: they should stand out loud and clear as the ones who either want to distract us all away from the idea that Trump could end up being the populist candidate he ran as, or they will try to make Trumps candidacy into a positive vote for the GOP and everything they stand for. He was pretty clear that he was saying whatever it took to get elected, and now he has to lead this country in the actual state it is in in actual reality, actual consensuses and all. Forget that too?

Palin's name looks to be top of the list for Secretary of Interior.... this can't be good.

ViperScale wrote: It should only be there for car wrecks and other major things that don't happen to everyone every year.

Largely it is only there for that. Yes, the plan might technically cover a doctor's visit, but most plans have large deductibles. If you're not a regular at the hospital, your occasional doctor visit is not going to fulfill your deductible obligations. If you only go to the doc twice a year, you're going to paying the entire tab for those two visits unless you have a really good insurance plan with a very low deductible. At least that's how it's worked with all the plans I've had anyway. $1000 deductable, $2500 copayment. Until I rack up $1k in charges, I have zero coverage for anything.

If you want good insurance, join the military and get Tricare Prime. It's free as long as you're on active duty, no deductible, no coinsurance, no cost for drugs. It's completely free. You go into the doc, get fixed up and leave. No paperwork, no bullshit. Once you separate, the VA will cover any service-connected conditions you have for life. If you have none but make less than ~$36k a year, you still get coverage with no deductible and no cost. If you make less than ~$70k a year, you get coverage with very low deductibles and co-payments. Again, the coverage is free for life as long as you qualify. If you join the guard or reserves, you can get Tricare Select for $50 a month. It has a ~$150 deductible and that's about it. You can go out of network as long as the hospital will accept network rates. If you have a family, the entire package is ~$150 a month for your whole family, again with a ~$150 annual deductible.

Yeah, but the whole "death" thing...