To Pass or Not To Pass (and where to do it) This Is The Question

There is a lot of wisdom in some of the posts, you just have to not be butthurt to see it.

Dan Africk wrote: The fact that there is even debate over whether and in what conditions climbers have the right to get on a climb that pushes their limits, and the notion that less experienced climbers should avoid routes at certain times to avoid inconveniencing faster climbers, is fucking absurd. So is the idea that less experienced climbers should defer to any impatient prick who thinks that being a faster climber gives them precedence or that a slower climber is automatically incompetent.. By the way John thank you for your support, it's nice of you. I agree that people who post on MP forums tend to be harsh and condescending, and I don't believe it's representative of the climbing community as a whole. You definitely need to have a thick skin before posting just about anything on the forums.. As for the comment by Josh Janes calling out my personal climbing history, it is hard not to find that a bit presumptuous and condescending, "No offense intended" or not. But I could see how that can be interpreted different ways, and I'm not going to guess as to his intentions. I do think judging whether someone's opinions are valid based entirely on the grade someone climbs and a cursory look at their MP profile is simplistic and not necessarily helpful.. And as someone pointed out, I think the views of less experienced climbers is very relevant to this discussion, if nothing else so that all you fast impatient climbers who think we're wrong can understand the perspective of those you're trying to pass. And by the way, the title of this thread is 'To Pass or Not To Pass (and where to do it) This Is The Question'. Where does it say this discussion is limited to 'long routes in the west'?

You understand that every experienced climber already understands what it's like to be a less experienced climber. They were one at one time! If you want to eventually climb longer and harder routes, you are going to have to get over your phobia about getting passed or sharing anchors. It's part of the progression of climbing.

Big climbs in the mountains if you are slow you will be passed. For the reasons that RG mentioned.