Chicks With Nuts℠ Summertime Event In Seneca Rocks, WV!

wonderwoman wrote: Do you have to announce that you are 'married' or 'have a boyfriend' on your online profiles to prevent unwanted private messages? Ask your friends of the opposite sex about this.

congrats we both have boyfriends. Does that mean we can or can't climb together?

wonderwoman wrote: Only if you can keep up with me.

my seneca to do list is mostly 5.7's right now. I want to tick PO, green wall, triple S, thais, tomato, SJM.

chris24graham wrote: If you don't see how that's the case, pay more attention the next time a female politician is criticized for her clothes or for being too aggressive.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q_LDG8vM3_E

wonderwoman wrote: Do you have to announce that you are 'married' or 'have a boyfriend' on your online profiles to prevent unwanted private messages? Ask your friends of the opposite sex about this.

Im not sure Mitch has friends....
he began this whole derailing (of the threads purpose) by demeaning it and getting all bent out of shape about a bunch of girls trying to go do something fun together, and then has continued to railroad it by flip flopping between attempting to defend himself... even saying he has a boyfriend above, with a "taking the rack out of the closet joke" (if this is genuine, it seems like a weak attempt to draw attention away from his words).. back to being overly sensitive about "not being invited" (booo frickin hoo)
he has spent so much time jackwaggin around here, stirring the pot and claiming to be innocent of infraction that I am led to believe he lacks friends,,,, let alone those of the opposite sex, otherwise he would have kindly fucked off already, let the thread alone for its intended purpose, and not cried about any of this to begin with.

Fact of the matter is 'minority', special interest, and 'seemingly oppressed' groups exist. Just because there are the enlightened who dont segregate, act misogynistically, or racist, does not mean that the world is devoid of people who do. These 'clubs' meetings and gatherings are not only warranted as a fun and nice non threatening way for people to go do something and learn something they might not otherwise try due to fear or intimidation, but they are especially necessary to help realize equality goals and give people (women in this case) some support that some of them (not all) might be looking for as an escape from the reality of the sexism that actually exists in the world.

Mitch, jack, hunter... go climbing and stop crying... your pathetic

goingUp wrote: he has spent so much time jackwaggin around here, stirring the pot and claiming to be innocent of infraction that I am led to believe he lacks friends,,,, let alone those of the opposite sex, otherwise he would have kindly fucked off already,

Desk jobs and slow days are very conducive to mountainproject.

Goingup, sorry now you are gonna get my life history. I'm a new trad leader with a boyfriend distrustful of cams, nuts, and, to a certain extent, climbing above bolts. Maybe I was extra sensitive to being excluded because I could see a weekend clinic as a good way to ramp up his confidence and get him psyched about going to seneca. He didn't particularly enjoy getting dragged up to the summit when i brought him.

Did I feel excluded? Yes. Did the post about women not being able to vote until the 1920's make me feel less excluded? No, it felt like an attempt to invalidate my feelings.

Have the rest of the comments been crap? Yes.

What do I really want? someone to acknowledge that its not 100% perfect that guys arent invited. that's it.

Do I expect you people to care about this post and/or people on teh internet? No.

edit:
was changing my name to mitchelle so I could be a "chick with nuts" too childish? Absolutely!

Of course it's not 100% perfect that guys are excluded. In a perfect world, none of this would matter at all, and this wouldn't even be a discussion. The point of most of the comments has been that in a world where there are lots of events where women and men can participate equally, and just as many where men have an easier time participating, it doesn't really make sense to to complain about a few events that exclude men.

I think men are bitter because of how much flak we get in modern society to not be oppressive. Then we some some chicks with nuts crap and were not supposed to say anything? White men are the most oppressed group in the 20-teens.

Anyways, who is going to set up the top ropes for you gals?

Mitchelle Kelly wrote: What do I really want? someone to acknowledge that its not 100% perfect that guys aren't invited.

There is a sea kayaking event on Lake Superior, called "Ladies of the Lake", women coaches teaching women kayaking skills, just paddling around, having fun. Men are invited to the event, but not to paddle with women - there is "Man Camp" for those who decide to tag along with their significant others.
Of course, there are quite a few of coed events.

There's plenty of all-male climbing events, with lots of farting and knuckle-dragging. Around here they're called "Weekends"

Amarius,

Is the chicks with nuts a better deal dollar wise than hiring a guide for the weekend?
Would you be interested in a similar event open to all? Meals, housing, some scheduled socializing on saturday night? (pretend you hadn't done a intro to trad class before)

Is there demand for a coed version?

Doug S wrote:There's plenty of all-male climbing events, with lots of farting and knuckle-dragging. Around here they're called "Weekends"

I've never seen a crag, gym, etc that was all dudes. Last time I was out it was 2/3 guys. And girls fart too FYI

Mitchelle Kelly wrote:Amarius, Is the chicks with nuts a better deal dollar wise than hiring a guide for the weekend? Would you be interested in a similar event open to all? Meals, housing, some scheduled socializing on saturday night? Is there demand for a coed version?

Kelly guided us at Seneca, we used "Seneca Rocks Mountain Guides". My friend and I signed up for 3 day course, we had extra person for two days. We paid 375 each, and then for additional evening clinic. In the hindsight, spending more money for private guiding - 170 per day - would've been better in utilizing our time and allowed for more flexibility.

Back to your question - I would love my wife to take the "Chicks" course. It would also be nice to have something available for me, if I decided to tag along and had no climbing partners.
Do I care if this a mixed or segregated event? - not really, but some people might benefit from being in the same gender group. Or similar age group. Or similar skill group. The key point - learning environment is really important for a student to gain most out of instruction, we just need to accept it. This is coming from 10 years of being sea kayaking instructor and guide.

amarius wrote: Kelly guided us at Seneca, we used "Seneca Rocks Mountain Guides". My friend and I signed up for 3 day course, we had extra person for two days. We paid 375 each, and then for additional evening clinic. In the hindsight, spending more money for private guiding - 170 per day - would've been better in utilizing our time and allowed for more flexibility. Back to your question - I would love my wife to take the "Chicks" course. It would also be nice to have something available for me, if I decided to tag along and had no climbing partners. Do I care if this a mixed or segregated event? - not really, but some people might benefit from being in the same gender group. Or similar age group. Or similar skill group. The key point - learning environment is really important for a student to gain most out of instruction, we just need to accept it. This is coming from 10 years of being sea kayaking instructor and guide.

I actually watched your trip on youtube. Looked like a great weekend!

Here is an interesting read on the subject.

explore-mag.com/Gadds_Truth…

I fully support Kelly's effort. I'd love to see more women out climbing, and there definitely is a different dynamic involved when its just a group of women getting together (read the article above - it seems to explain it pretty well)...

that being said, I think some guys are a little sensitive, because it seems that certain elements of our culture lately, have done nothing but try to demonize men. I find that quite alarming, but I don't think that has anything to do with what Kelly is doing...

Keep up the good work Kelly.

I guess I take this to heart considering many of my climbing partners and good friends these days are female. Had they been sucked into this type of thinking and I may not have met them, and that is very disheartening.

Hunter McPherson wrote:I guess I take this to heart considering many of my climbing partners and good friends these days are female. Had they been sucked into this type of thinking and I may not have met them, and that is very disheartening.

You.. Take something to heart? No way!

yukonjack wrote: I'm not invited to a woman-only event because of my genitalia; not my actions, skill, chosen hobby/profession, health status, or beliefs.

I'm not so sure now adays... Can't you just declare yourself a woman, now? That's how it works right in modern leftist America...Genitalia/genetics doesn't matter - it's all about how you feel - do you feel like a woman?

lol

Thanks Stagg! I needed that laugh.

Cheers all

Hunter McPherson wrote:I guess I take this to heart considering many of my climbing partners and good friends these days are female. Had they been sucked into this type of thinking and I may not have met them, and that is very disheartening.

You wouldn't have met them because they climbed 1 day a year with a bunch of other women?

Or Grog, white males are the most oppressed in the 20-teens?

Jesus people, it's just a bunch of women that want to get together and climb.

Kelly- keep up the good work!