What presidential candidate would be most beneficial to the climbing community and land access?

Long Duk Dong wrote:Mike or Tony, Either of you care to respond to my question on page 33?

Ok.http://stat-and-ancap.tumblr.com/post/129006095046/anarcho-syndicalists-like-noam-chomsky-claim-to-be

Support trump? Are you kidding me?

Tim Lutz wrote: Good to know you support a fascist, racist dictator. Have you raised your Right hand to do Trump pledge yet? The once classy GOP of Reagan has turned into a reality TV series of dick measuring and dumb and dumber jokes.

You're voting for Hillary Clinton?

Tim Lutz wrote:Nope, as I said upthread, although I think libertarianism is unrealistic in a number of ways, I voted Gary Johnson in the last election and likely will again if Bernie doesn't get the nomination (aka lot more $$$$$$$$$$$$)

I know he was a successful third party candidate but wow, I always took you for a liberal.

Despite you guys burning me at the stake, I would vote for Trump if my choices are Clinton or Trump.

Legalization of all drugs is a tough sell to the voters. It brought down abuse and overdose numbers in Portugal. So it does work. Law enforcement and prison unions are a big hurdle after the public.

While I disagree with your decision to vote for trump, Bill, I have to say its a better decision that Gary Johnson.

Gary Johnson is a fine guy, I have nothing against him, but as a third party candidate, he has no chance of winning. As such, a vote for him is voting against your own self interest. You are essentially helping the candidate you least agree with by denying the other "big party" candidate a vote. If you hate Trump, but just dislike Hillary, vote Hillary. If you hate Hillary, but can deal with Trump, vote Trump. Until the voting system changes (which it totally should) voting third party is a waste of your vote.

Tim Lutz wrote:I am also suspicious of legalization of all drugs. I should have said full scale marijuana legalization.

The funny thing, to me anyway, is the stat that emergency room visits involving Marijuana went up a bunch in CO. That shows that more people are smoking pot than before. That statistic could be used to stop any legislation.

Edit: I thought about the whole Trump's helping Hillary thing but... Hillary Clinton is in with Wall Street and big business. She wins big business and Wall Street wins. Ted Cruz wins big business and Wall Street wins. Republic controlled Congress too, they really win. Donald Trump comes along so now what?

Tim Lutz wrote: this is exactly what the Trump/Hillary Oligarchy wants you to beLIEve thanks for playing their game, I am sure they appreciate your vote.

Careful you don't cut yourself on all that edge. 3edgy5me

But seriously, a third party candidate creates what is called the spoiler effect. Look it up, or watch the video I posted a couple pages back detailing the problems with First Past the Post.

Tim Lutz wrote: taking too big a portion an edible can make the noobs freak out, but these ER visits aren't physically health threatening. Look at the ER visits for Oxyies and Smack in say West Virginia last year. Those visits are life threatening.

Physically health threatening or not it shows people who weren't getting high are now getting high. Increased drug use.

So then the argument is we legalized weed and the number of users increased. What happens when we legalize cocaine and heroin?

Tim Lutz wrote: This increased 'drug' use leads to a 25% decline in hard drug use newsweek.com/states-medical… So, by any measure, a net win for the plant. Coke and heroin are certainly a harder sell, not one I would try to make.

No difference in cocaine and 0 to -20 in dope.

Plus, all voters have to hear is increased number of pot heads.

Oh and nobody does Oxy anymore. Opana is the new thing

For the record, I support marijuana legalization. And I think that the major reason for the increase in use is mostly due to people thinking "Oh, I'd try weed if it were legal". But, I don't think you'd have this type of thing with other drugs. I dont know that people are really out here thinking "Oh man, heroin seems so fun, I'd totally do that if it were legal" like they are with weed. That's just my thought, I don't have any stats to back this up.

Tim Lutz wrote: Maybe in Balt-mur, but in the west, voters are more and more open to the public health benefits of an alternative to pain meds and alcohol for recreation.

Hey, I hope you're right. A whole other money maker coming online soon.

Quinn, I think the same. I just know how facts get distorted while a politican is on the mic.

Bill Kirby wrote:Quinn, I think the same. I just know how facts get distorted while a politician is on the mic.

That is something I think we can all agree on.

Regardless of whether marijuana is legal or not ... what I find fascinating is the pro-legalization folks are usually the same people who are heavily behind smoking bans in public and going after the tobacco companies. To me smoking anything into your lungs is a terrible unhealthy habit that also happens to affect those that have to breathe in second-hand smoke. What I wish is that everyone would be honest about the serious negative health effects of smoking, whether it is marijuana or cigarettes.

"Marijuana smoke contains a similar range of harmful chemicals to that of tobacco smoke (including bronchial irritants, tumor promoters and carcinogens) (Hoffmann et al, 1975). As inhaled smoke comes into contact with airway and lung before being absorbed into the bloodstream, it is likely to affect the respiratory system (Novotny et al, 1982). Risk of respiratory effects from inhaling marijuana smoke are heightened by the more intensive way in which marijuana is smoked -- when smoking marijuana compared to tobacco, there is a prolonged and deeper inhalation and it is smoked to a shorter butt length and at a higher combustion temperature. This results in approximately 5 times the carbon monoxide concentration, 3 times the tar, and the retention of one-third more tar in the respiratory tract. Higher levels of ammonia and hydrogen cyanide have also been found in marijuana smoke, compared to tobacco (Moir, et al., 2008; Wu et al., 1988; Tashkin et al., 1991; Benson & Bentley, 1995).

From your article Tim:

Chronic marijuana use has been linked by some researchers to lung problems, dependence and early onset psychosis. There is also considerable concern over the impact of marijuana use on the developing adolescent brain. One study, published in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, found that regular marijuana users lost an average of six IQ points by adulthood.

In January, the American Academy of Pediatrics reaffirmed their opposition to legalizing marijuana for recreational or medical use.

"We really don't know the impact of legalization on youth access and youth use," said Dr. Seth Ammerman, an adolescent medicine specialist at Stanford and author of the AAP policy statement.

From the American Lung Association website:

Marijuana Smoke

Smoke is harmful to lung health. Whether from burning wood, tobacco or marijuana, toxins and carcinogens are released from the combustion of materials. Smoke from marijuana combustion has been shown to contain many of the same toxins, irritants and carcinogens as tobacco smoke.4-7

Beyond just what's in the smoke alone, marijuana is typically smoked differently than tobacco. Marijuana smokers tend to inhale more deeply and hold their breath longer than cigarette smokers, which leads to a greater exposure per breath to tar.8

Secondhand marijuana smoke contains many of the same toxins and carcinogens found in directly inhaled marijuana smoke, in similar amounts if not more.5 While there is no data on the health consequences of breathing secondhand marijuana smoke, there is concern that it could cause harmful health effects, especially among vulnerable children in the home. Additional research on the health effects of secondhand marijuana smoke is needed.

Lung Health and Marijuana Smoke

Smoking marijuana clearly damages the human lung. Research shows that smoking marijuana causes chronic bronchitis and marijuana smoke has been shown to injure the cell linings of the large airways, which could explain why smoking marijuana leads to symptoms such as chronic cough, phlegm production, wheeze and acute bronchitis.4,9

Smoking marijuana has also been linked to cases of air pockets in between both lungs and between the lungs and the chest wall, as well as large air bubbles in the lungs among young to middle-aged adults, mostly heavy smokers of marijuana. However, it's not possible to establish whether these occur more frequently among marijuana smokers than the general population.4

Smoking marijuana can harm more than just the lungs and respiratory system - it can also affect the immune system and the body's ability to fight disease, especially for those whose immune systems are already weakened from immunosuppressive drugs or diseases, such as HIV infection.4,9

Smoking marijuana hurts the lungs' first line of defense against infection by killing cells that help remove dust and germs as well as causing more mucus to be formed. In addition, it also suppresses the immune system. These effects could lead to an increased risk of lower respiratory tract infections among marijuana smokers, although there is no clear evidence of such actual infections being more common among marijuana smokers.4,9 However, frequent marijuana-only smokers have more healthcare visits for respiratory conditions compared to nonsmokers.10

Studies have shown that smoking marijuana may increase the risk of opportunistic infections among those who are HIV positive, although it does not seem to effect the development of AIDS or lower white cell counts.4,9

Another potential threat to those with weakened immune systems is Aspergillus, a mold that can cause lung disorders. It can grow on marijuana, which if then smoked exposes the lungs to this fungus.4 However, it rarely causes problems in people with healthy immune systems.

Todd Graham wrote:Regardless of whether marijuana is legal or not ... what I find fascinating is the pro-legalization folks are usually the same people who are heavily behind smoking bans in public and going after the tobacco companies. To me smoking anything into your lungs is a terrible unhealthy habit that also happens to affect those that have to breathe in second-hand smoke. What I wish is that everyone would be honest about the serious negative health effects of smoking, whether it is marijuana or cigarettes.

I support legalization of recreational marijuana, but I think it should be subject to the same bans as tobacco smoking. On person's choice to smoke should not cause negative consequences for someone who chooses not to smoke.

Marijuana smoke is just as bad for you as cigarette smoke. You're still inhaling Carbon Monoxide, Tar, and everything that comes along with burning a bit of plant material. Vaporization and edibles are much less unhealthy (though I wouldn't say "healthy" by any stretch of the imagination) ways of marijuana consumption than smoking.

Watching teens smoke pot and bathe their developing brains in these chemicals ... including high concentrations of THC ... is terrible. There should be a huge public push to keep teens and young adults away from pot, regardless of legalization, just as with cigarettes.

From a 2012 article on the Psychiatric Times website:

The cannabis-psychosis link.

Many studies have explored the link between cannabis and psychosis (Table). In a systematic review, Moore and colleagues surveyed the literature on this topic. They looked at population-based longitudinal studies as well as nested case-control studies that assessed the impact of cannabis use on the later development of psychosis. The “psychosis” outcomes required the diagnosis of a primary psychotic disorder or affective psychosis, or the occurrence of delusions, hallucinations, or thought disorder during the study period. Results from 7 cohort studies showed a 40% increased risk of psychosis in cannabis users compared with nonusers. The data also revealed a dose-response effect—the risk of psychotic symptoms was increased approximately 50% to 200% in those who used cannabis frequently compared with nonusers.

What is already known about the link between cannabis use and psychosis?

? There is strong evidence to support the hypothesis that cannabis consumption is a risk factor for the development of psychotic symptoms and schizophrenia.

What new information does this article provide?

? This article emphasizes the negative effects of cannabis use in young populations and in those who may confer a genetic risk. We further believe that even in the face of enhanced cognitive function among cannabis-using patients with established schizophrenia, this cannabis use worsens the clinical course and overall prognosis of the disorder.

What are the implications for psychiatric practice?

? While scientists attempt to clarify the relationship between cannabis and psychosis, it is important that we take the link between cannabis and psychosis seriously by definitively assessing patients for cannabis use. Clinicians should be educating their clients about the potential dangers of using cannabis and the potential bene­fits of quitting.

- See more at: psychiatrictimes.com/schizo…

Among the study participants, the average pot smoker lit up two to three times per month. The average tobacco user smoked eight cigarettes per day.

I agree that pot smoke is less harmful but above looks little off.